Chris Byrd - Could He Have Beaten Wilder?

You must be scoring based on things like looking confident and relaxed and penalizing missed punches.

 

You are accusing Jan of having the agenda and in the next sentence insinuating Fury was lucky not to lose the decision in fight 1

 

Tell me the last time a title changed hands on the cards when the challenger suffered knockdowns in separate rounds and didn't do the same to the champion.

 

It probably isn't the last time, but Wlad won Peter's NABF title on the cards despite being knocked down 3 times without scoring a KD himself.

Not the most prestigious title, but that's obviously irrelevant to the plausibility of a fighter suffering multiple KD's, scoring none, yet winning a decision.

 

Not a real title.

 

You've gone from utterly horrible to worse. Stevie Wonder would see thru that smokescreen.

 

Can't do it.

 

Even that Holyfiel would've beaten Stiverne.

 

I apologize for upsetting you although I don’t remember the interaction.

 

How does the prestige of the title impact the plausibility of a fighter being awarded the decision in a 12-round fight, during which they suffered multiple, but scored no, knockdowns?

 

Agreed. According to this site - https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury - the fight would have been 115-111 to Fury (9 rounds to 3, with 2 x KD's for Wilder) if based on an average of posted fan score cards.

It's interesting that the "closest" round was the only round Wilder won without a KD, round 2, where fans scored him an average of 9.62 vs 9.42. The closest of the 9 x rounds awarded to Fury is round 4, where he got 9.78 vs 9.25 to Wilder. That suggests all 9 x Fury rounds were clear Fury rounds. i.e. 116-110 or 115-111 are fine, anything else places the "judge" in an extreme minority.

I think Wilder can be underrated by some on the basis of his relatively poor resume & would give him at least a remote puncher's chance against any man in history. However, the Fury 1 fight reflects very poorly on him. The majority scored the fight to a badly diminished version of Fury who had lost c.140lbs following a 3-year drink & drugs binge. That he was badly diminished is evidenced by their 2 x subsequent fights.

 

The implication is that champions are less likely to lose on the cards than randoms because they’re more competent.

 

Sam Peter was a future WBC champion.

Pacquiao is arguably a top 20 p4p ATG great. He couldn't get a decision against JMM in a fight he scored 3 KD's, let alone 2, without suffering one.

None of which is relevant to the scoring of Fury vs Wilder 1. What is relevant, is that the majority of fans and media scored it to Fury. Substantially more scored the fight to Fury than to Wilder. That was a terribly diminished version of Fury barely out of rehab. Fury had just about properly recovered by their 2nd contest.

 

I don't consider it relevant to the Fury vs Wilder 1 fight. Not as relevant as the majority of published fan and media scorecards, anyway.

 

I really cannot make up my mind on this one. Chris Byrd certainly COULD have beaten Deontay Wilder, but I do not think he would be the odds favorite going in. But Byrd definitely has the better resume. To win, Deontay must land that devastating right hand of his, possibly more than once. If it goes to the cards, Byrd probably gets the nod.