Chris Byrd v Wilder?

Okay.

I’ll retract my statement.

I’ll rephrase what I said.


You aren’t obsessed.

But you can’t discuss his career objectively.


You aren’t objective.

 

Look at the poll.

You can count on one hand the number of polls Wilder has won on this board in the last nine years.

You need to watch more Chris Byrd fights. Start with his title defenses. Score them. And get back to me.

 

I'm actually presenting facts. I don't think you've even watched the fights I've brought up. You've offered no proof you have. You can't even discuss them with me.

You just start calling names.

I watched Chris Byrd's whole career as it was happening. Same with Wilder. I have the fights. If you want to talk specifically about any of them, let me know.

But if I speak in generalities, you bash me for not being specific. If I speak in specifics, you insult me for being obsessive.

So I'm just going to go. You don't want to talk.

 

I don’t need to rewatch them.

Some of them were very boring.

I agree that lesser fighters caused him issues.

I agree that Wilder could definitely have beaten him.

But again, it wouldn’t have been a foregone conclusion.

Because Byrd was a technical southpaw, and Wilder doesn’t possess great technical skills.

Therefore, if he couldn’t have taken him out, the likelihood is, he’d have lost a decision.

 

What are you talking about?

I have agreed with you on most things.

 

He cleanly knocked out Ortiz and almost killed Szpilka. Ortiz was better than Byrd.

Or you can bank on Byrd “causing” a torn rotator cuff. #soslick

 

I'll go with my first inclination here, and I'll say that I favour Wilder to put it on Chris and knock him around. He can be clumsy but he's also quick, awkward and before his career flagged, he was not waiting on the shot, he was putting up the work rate. If he were a ponderous puncher or one of those hesitant boxer punchers looking to be too perfectly set for the land, okay, but I think he's coming after Byrd and Byrd can only really be so slick with his lack of power against someone who fights like Wilder with those attributes. He might outdo Wilder, okay, and you know what? Maybe Wilder won't take the shots as I think he will. I tend to think he eats whatever Byrd has, gets out-boxed in spells but simply keeps up the hustle and has telling power shots often enough that he's not going to drop the decision if he doesn't end Byrd. But I don't think it will become a Byrd stinker even if he manages to pull out a win. I just don't think they'll match up that way. I think this will be a hot fight, like Madeleine Stowe in Unlawful Entry hot. Which is pretty hot.

 

Chris Byrd was a Don King Paper Champ.

Slickster ? No, he was not a mover, he liked to hang out on the ropes dodging incoming while countering, that worked against the usual cans on Tuesday night fights but once he stepped up that became a problem plus him being a complete Feather fist did not help but he did have a good chin.

A green Ike who was going off the rails already and barely trained , literally , walked right thru him.

Then he had the win against arm puncher VK when he was behind but the other guy quit.

He beat the ghost of Holyfield...................

Every title defense he was involved in had Don King "Judging" aka highly controversial decisions for the House fighter aka Chris Byrd. against mediocre opposition.

Timid WK bombed him from range and Byrd did not win a round unless my memory fails me.

WK hit him with rights at will but as usual was too afraid to close the show and settled for a dominant win......I do not rate the rematch.

Wilder is not going to throw air like VK, he is not too afraid to get nailed, by this pillow fist, he is going to time Byrd while keeping him at range like WK and will put his lights out straight down the pipe, you can bank on it.

 

Nobody has disputed those wins.

Ortiz being better than Byrd is debatable.

The point still stands:

Wilder would had to have knocked out Byrd to have beaten him.

If he could have landed his best shots, then Byrd would have been toast.

But if not, the likelihood is, Byrd would have won a decision.

Wilder would not have outboxed him for a decision win.

 

It wouldn’t go to the cards. But Wilder has a draw with Fury and was at least even when he stopped Ortiz the first time. Neither of those guys ever went down the cards leading into those fights and for years after.

 

The flip side to this, is that Wilder knocked out a load of lower level guys until he stepped up his competition.

And if he can’t knock a guy out, he hasn’t got the technical ability to win a decision.

Not against top level guys with skills.

So in this fight, Wilder would have had to have taken him out.

Also, the Vitali match was unsatisfactory. We should have seen a rematch. And yes, Vitali was up on the cards. But we have to be fair and say that Byrd made him miss a lot, which undoubtedly contributed towards his injury.

Wilder would have needed to have been super confident and super sharp, where he’d have taken him out.

 

Nobody believes that he drew against Fury.

He had 3 attempts to beat Fury.

He couldn’t beat him.

If he can’t knock you out, he’s vulnerable.

Usyk has 3 wins over AJ and Fury, without having knocked them out.

Because he can outbox guys with his skills.

Something that Wilder has always struggled to do.

 

Take the Rose colored glasses off, Byrds claim to fame is getting lucky vs VK, a win is a win but he won because of the quit job, no quiting and VK wins, he was too far ahead.

Besides that Byrd won zip except gift decisions vs hand picked Don King controlled fighters................to put it into context, a shot to shid stoned Tyson waxed a far fresher Golata in two rounds while Byrd was going life and death with him years later.

Nobody was ever afraid of Byrd and every single time he stepped really up he got beat like a drum.

 

Fury was lucky to have exited with a draw.

 

Correct, with a less leniant Ref Fury would have been counted out.

Fury does get a lot of help from the Ref, see again vs Usyk.

It is what it is.