Chris Eubank Sr phenomenal technical tips

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  1. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    'For power, your legs generate more force than your elbows and your hips generate more force than your shoulders. Therefore you must bend the knees and rotate the torso; to do that you must place your weight on the balls of your back foot, to prevent your front knee from snapping, and the rest is a chain reaction - toe extension, foot extension, knee flexion, hip rotation, pectorial flexion, arm extension, forearm tension, wrist tension and knuckle connection. The trick is to not throw the right hand unless your opponent is over your right foot. If your opponent is not over your right foot, you'll generate more power with a left hook or even a jab.'

    'The left hook is a punch in which you go into the same position but with the chain stopping at your hip, so that your weight is shifted to the balls of your front foot, you then start a new chain off your front foot, turning onto your toe, through foot, knee, hip, chest, arm, forearm, wrist and knuckle, and you know you're throwing it correctly if the heel of your back foot naturally lands at the precise time that your index and middle knuckles connect.

    'If you can master the pivot, you then need to master angle of the arm in order to actually land it with that force you've generated, that force you've generated like an Olympic weightlifter would generate for instance.'

    'Those are the two basic power punches. There are 12 punches to master and a number of variations on each. And that's only offense, then there's defense. And that's only initiating punishment, then there's absorbing it yourself.'

    'People talk about range and height and reach, and that's all well and good. But it counts for nothing. If you stay below the opponents eye level and stay out of the opponents reach, you're as safe as houses - shall I tell you for why, for why is because;
    'For #1 - if you're below your opponents eye level, regardless of any height differential, you have more leverage than your opponent, offensively and defensively and more to see and land at, and,
    'For #2 - if you're out of range, your opponent has to step in first and you have the advantage of leverage and aim if you decide to stay put, or you have to step in and again you have the advantage of leverage and aim if he decides to stay put, and,
    'For #3 is this - a jab to the body or right hand to the body can be executed from halfway across the ring through a mere step with the front foot, and provided you release straight without moving your gloves or turning your shoulders - making it harder to read - and provided your front foot lands at the precise time your glove lands, it is in actual fact a safe move from a safe position.

    'To improve and increase your range and reach even further, I would recommend learning to perform splits and back bends proficiently in your training, allowing you also to flex in the opposing direction too if you did get caught out from a particular distance, preventing you getting caught.'
     
  2. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Eubank has always been spot on with his understanding of the science and tactics of the sport.

    Dont know if you saw his sons first fight on the Fury under card, Eubank Sr was commentating and realized he could give better advice than the corner so went over to give his opinion between rounds.
     
  3. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    this guy is chris eubank.
     
  4. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    It's not eubank but he post some brilliant eubank stuff such as this....
     
  5. :yep
     
  6. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Extracts from Eubank's autobiography below...


    The first trainer I had was an older man called Andy Martinez, a Puerto Rican. He was only about 5' tall. He got me exceptionally fit. He taught me only two punches, which were the straight left and the straight right, no hooks to the body, no body shots. He only worked with amateurs, mainly getting them in shape - which he did superbly. After about two years, I wanted to work with Maximo Pierret, the main trainer at the Jerome boxing gym.
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    People sometimes say to me why do you have to repeat one punch so many times to perfect it? Well, these are not simple skills. It took me two years to learn how to throw the right hand. Then there's the left hook, the right hand to the body, the left upper cut to the body, the right upper cut to the body, the right hook to the body - these punches take years and years to learn. You don't climb through the ropes and just do it.
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    Doctor (Walter Jonson) had an expansive knowledge of internal and external martial art forms such as aikido, jiu-jitsu, karate, tai chi, and Chinese boxing, and at first it was very frustrating. For example, martial arts like pa-qua are open handed, but obviously boxing uses a closed fist. Doctor's martial arts were about holding, striking with your palm and fingers, whereas boxing was about striking only with your knuckles. He was trying to teach me these forms, but because I liked him so much I couldn't tell him that I was struggling to incoporate them into boxing. This went on for perhaps three years.

    What I did extract from everything I observed about martial arts was the foot movement, which was all about positioning and escape. The stance and poise in martial arts is 98% on your back foot and 2% on your front. Boxing is 50/50, unless you go into a position to strike, at which point you vary the weight distribution. I took that and spliced it into my boxing style. People often ask me how the martial arts and boxing mix. The point is this: boxing is actually the highest form of martial arts, because you have to learn how to absorb punishment before you can initiate it.

    Another aspect Doctor brought to my game was stretching. Obviously, as a boxer, flexibilty is vital, but many fighters only have flexibility in one dimension, namely that of the direction of the punch. So another aspect I took from the martial arts was to develop all-encompassing flexibility, or amplitude, and by that I mean agility in every direction. For example I learned how to do the Japanese splits, which is where your legs are completely flat, then you roll your abdomen and chest to the floor. This is an excruciating skill to develop and can only be achieved by constant repetition. A fight is not just about strength, it is about flexibility. These extraordinery skills, when taken into the ring proved to be very powerful tools.

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    I never did much weight-training - lifting weights and boxing never go together, it tightens you up. Boxing is about being loose and relaxed.
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I asked if it was eubank and he told me he was just linked to the camp. If it were Eubank I'd love it. I'm a massive fan - always will be. The guy was a legend and part of my inspiration.
     
  8. atberry

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    Seminar to amateurs in Newcastle in 2010 with Glenn McCrory.
     
  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Are you Chris????

    Tell me:lol:
     
  10. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Dont be so silly.




    He doesn't type with a lisp.
     
  11. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    interesting stuff, i read about eubank and his flexibilty training before and it made sense when remembering how he fought

    its definately one thing id love to improve in myself but it takes a back seat before everything else and it never gets done
     
  12. wayneflint

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    I like how hes talking about mobility and weight being on the back foot, i agree its key to being fast. he also mentions that the closer the back foot to the target means more power on a straight right, this is due to not reaching and coming onto the front too much for the straight right (bad posture), still having the ability to drive the shot, while not fighting joints during the rotation, the same is important when talking about the antagonists during movement also slow the rotation and cause injury.

    Then he mentions being relaxed, thats what its all about, relaxed, good posture, explode into the rotation with next to no resistance due to inflexibility, ive been messing about as usual and ive found a good way to get this going on shots, being relaxed is key. ive come to realise this more so with a few set ups ive been working on recently.

    An example of what i mean with a straight right. Stand in your boxing stance, drop your ass (dont bend at waist) and with good posture turn your heels slightly to the right, weight over the back foot ready and on balance to pull the shot back, youve loaded your legs and feet/hips for the shot, now keeping the right elbow tucked inside (not on the outside of the hip) otherwise it'll flare out behind the momentum your base is going to create during rotation, as you get better you can throw elbow outside hip but lets not walk before running.

    Now your lower half is loaded we will load your shoulders in a way which will mean a contraction to load the shot rather than to throw it, so when its time for the shot to go you simply relax and let the hands go rather than forcing it, and the first part of a good rotation will begin all by itself giving you the first inch of the movement without actually contracting a muscle to start it further enhancing the feel of the first inch of a nice relaxed not forced rotation, and speed and power comes from the first 3 inch of movement, simply carry on from the first inch where the rotation started by relaxing and now explode into the shot continuing the good rotation, supporting the head as to not reach and come on the front foot by ruining posture.

    Now to load your shoulders for rotation you have 2 basic movements, you can sort of shrug what feels like your shoulder blade area on the back, pull/shrug this area backwards and you can also sort of pinch/curl back your shoulders using what feels like the rear delts (careful to keep hands by chin, this shoulder movement will pull the hands from the chin so you must learn to move the hand forward to remain covering the chin while shoulder comes back). so what i do, on the right side you will shrug and nip/curl back the shoulder to load the right side, on the left side you will turn the shoulder in and push the shoulder blade area forward/round too, sort of feels like spreading the scapula i think, you will feel a stretch in the back near between the spine and shoulder blade when done properly.

    Anyway if you have done this correctly and not turned away too far and adjusted your hands so the shoulder movements hasent pulled the hands away from the chin (basically need to move the right hand elbow forward infront of the solar plexus when throwing a jab will keep your right hand on your chin while pulling shoulder back into the shot for maximum power) now your nicely loaded for a straight right and still covered up nicely.

    Now to fire the shot or let it go to be more precise, let the shoulders and upper body relax and your torso will start the rotation for you, giving you a good idea of what it should feel like when you have an ideal and effective yet relaxed but not forced rotation going, try and get a feel for it and continue the shot/rotation off the momentum/rotation this has built/started, dont force it, whip it back, once the shoulders have started a solid rotation from firm planted feet which makes a nice solid base to drive from, lift the heels and close the gap between your knee's (try trap your nuts) to rotate the hips, when your there, you whip the shot out on the end of all the momentum explode with the rotation in the wrist rather than forcing the hand forward as rotating the wrist is the more natural way to extend the arm and will whip back the arm much easier too, plus your legs are in a stable base supporting you for which direction the shot is coming from as to not be knocked back off balance so easy and enable drive which strengthens the shot at the base through bone allignment also,(try getting a very heavybag get it swinging, follow it with jabs till your underneath it and throw a straight right, if bone allignment is good the shot will stop the bag, if its not the bag will stop/neutralize the shot by knocking you backward off balance, if your relaxed enough during full extention point of a straight then the extention of the shot will have stretched out the muscles that will be required to use this same principle for rotation but in reverse to snap the shot back using full body rotation aswell. its best not to think about it all but to feel, over thinking will make it all go to **** and make it slow and weak, get focused instead.

    A lot of message there but this is somthing ive recently realised ive been doing for fast snappy shots/flashy counters displaying handspeed and for power shots, since realising what ive been doing for the faster bigger shots ive been messing about with it. working on new set ups and trick shots, a nice trick ive been using it is to counter back a sloppy jab with a straight right on the same side.

    Ill drop my ass and turn my heels which moves my head a bit while i either parry of stop the jab, being sure to move my elbow inside my hip simultaniousley to line up the straight, and also being careful to only parry or stop by moving at the elbow or shoulder joint, you need to be pulling back the shoulder blade area and nipping with the delt as described above, this is also simultanious, so be careful not to reach for the parry or stop or you will lose the ability to load the shoulders and will lose a lot of speed required to pull this off in time, so youve moved your head, parried the shot past your chin and loaded a very sharp nasty straight right that they cant really see coming, as soon as his glove touches yours you know its time to let go and fire the straight with a big explosion.

    Ive been using a similair principle to get off a check left hook counter to a straight right or a shadey jab, i like this alot because its my naturally quickest hand, have to work a lot on right hand speed at times. Its a counter punch i actually suspect mayweather uses where he guides straights with his gloves away from his head sometimes into his left shoulder seemingly which will then push it back thus loading that side for the left hook using their own shot and feel to load and trigger the counter, clever and economical/cruel all rolled into one, he seems to like doing that, using feel to counter, but why wouldnt he feel is quicker reaction to go by than sight. at this point youve already loaded the right side by turning the shoulder in, just waiting for when their glove pushes back on your shoulder to completely load your upper body for the hook, you can either throw a very snappy fast hook with not much legs behind it but a lift of the front heel, or you can load the legs for it aswell on the sly for a big nasty left hook, watch posture if your loading the left hook with legs because bad posture while loading the left will move your headin the line of fire.

    I know a very long post but i thought someone might understand this mess and maybe what im trying to explain here and make use of it, i like these tricks because it always looks good, even if people watching arent really boxers or fighters and dont have a clue, when they see you stop shots with the same hand that beats their shot back to their chin it says your the classier more skilled fighter in a big way and it cant be denied by people outside the ring no matter how delusional the people watching are, sorry for the essay but felt like sharing a few things i felt tied in well with the principles Eubank is disscussing here this thread got me in the mood because eubank is agreeing with a lot i believe to also be true.

    have a go at what im trying to explain here and let me know what you guys think or if you dont get what im saying let me know lol it is a mess this post like but its late, i wouldnt blame you for not reading but before the flameing ******s come along ill just sayim only trying to help and give some tips and set-ups for anyone interested so **** off back t grammar school lol.
     
  13. lefty

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    Good read wayneflint, it tested my ADHD mind but I got there :good
     
  14. Great posts. but no cites!
     
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