Chris Eubank V Gerald McCllenan.........1995

Prime mw Eubank beats prime mw McClellan, no doubt in my mind. Eubank was a tremendous fighter in his younger mw days. But the gunshy past-prime version who was floored and beaten twice by Collins would not have survived the fight with the McClellan who beat Benn. IMO.

 

I grew up on Chris and Nigel, the're first meeting is still my favourite fight, I assure you im not taking Eubank lightly.

He did have hard hitters, aiming at he only weak point he ever showed.
And he took it. He was brilliant in his day.

I didnt appreciate him at the time but i'd love someone like him the now.

I just think think by 95, and considering how brilliant Gerald was at Bodyshots, He turned into a headhunter after the first Jackson fight(and to be fair some of that fight, 1st and 4th especialliy). I cant see Chris taking the onslaught on the body then, not in 95.


And if he did cover his body, like he did in the second Benn fight, I cant see him doing enough to take any rounds let alone enough to scrape it on points, not in 95.

I can see you have a different opinion and thats cool, you havent tried to be a **** about it, or just said Eubank by KO, so agree to disagree.:good

Happy New Year anyway.

 

Yeah I know what you're saying, but I'm going soley on the Bodyshots here.

I dont think theres a chance he stops Chris through Jaw banging. If anything he plays a bit into Eubanks hands and makes him look good to the judges, coz Chris was quality at reacting to shots coming towards his head, I think Eubank gets a handy points win if it's in 91.

 

I'd put mine up and take your house. Toney would have destroyed JC if he could have laid off the donuts. Prime Hop & Toney were way too offensively skilled for Joe. Joe couldn't avoid CE's right hand. They would have killed him. He fought non-peak Chris and then hid in a cave for nearly a decade. It was a smart move. Gerald was only 27. If not for Benn he would have ruled 168 for a number of years. By '97 he would have finished what CE couldn't. Imagine Gerald versus Joe in '98 instead of Sobot and Ferreyra. Agree re: Roy.

 

I agree about Toney and Hopkins v Joe, and that if it wasn't for Benn the GMan would've ruled 168 till he fought Jones.

 

Think you need to watch the fight again bud, Eubank was comfy when the shots were coming at his chin, but in 7th and 8th he was ready to go from the bodyshots from Benn, as he later admitted to. I've never said G-man gets Eubank out,even in 95, by head shot.


Im reaching nothing, he took some good shots to the chin from a big hitting middle in his first title fight. **** mugabi's recent results you dont lose your pop.


Posing? A prime Eubank wouldnt stop McClellan, let alone the post Watson 95 version. Come on bud. Prime Chris can win on points ye, but stopage, No.

Ive said clearly how a 95 G-Man stops Eubank. Bodyshot. And he would.

 

I'm with ya but don't know if that could or would have happened. RJJ did move up late '96. Fighting Jackson in '94, Benn in '95, then Jones in '96 would have been some run. At only 27 in '95, wonder how one looks at prime for a fighter (doesn't have to be GM) that may not have actually gotten there? I think those few years of diff between him and Benn (five I think) were apparent in strength/physical maturity.

 

Nope, Toney would lose on points every day of the week.

Zero offensive output, only counter active output, which would pale into insignificance every round. You would get treated to some great defensive shells from james but thats it.

**** poor movement, and im being kind. His brilliance in countering would keep it competitve but thats it.

Any other points result would be a joke man.

 

Zero offensive output?? Have you seen much of James Toney from 1991-1994?

Counteractive output is still offensive, and Calzaghe is wide open to counters, his defence has always been sloppy.

 

Couldn't disagree more. Toney is a great fighter. Always has been. He didn't become a great fighter in his old age. His ability to move up and remain competitive with the best is a testament to his skill level (same with Roy). I can understand rating Joe as an overall fighter but geez he didn't look tremendous in the Eubank fight (he caught right hands with his face the whole fight), he looked non-elite versus Hop (at 43), and he got dropped by RJJ in the 1st and hurt again at the end of the sixth and Roy's a shell. Toney would have hit Joe with punches he just can't see and can't get out of the way of. Joe couldn't avoid an elite fighters right in his youth and still can't today.

It is also why he didn't fight any in their prime and doesn't contemplate a rematch with Hop. Regardless of how one view's the fight in 2007, a series between competitive talented fighters can often have different developments as the fighter's make adjustments. Both are near retirement. They should be happy to take as many fights as the public would care to watch as it is less dangerous than stepping in with a young man at their age. It isn't the same as fighting in their prime but it could still be very interesting as they are well-conditioned for their respective ages. I suspect Joe would rather rematch RJJ than Hop. Small wonder if one knows his career.

 

That's the truth. Hence why he never fought one single prime elite fighter. He knew.

 

Yes i have.


Very sloppy, but against somone as flat footed as Toney, Calzaghe's lateral movement would be key, cant see no other result but points for Calzaghe.

 

I've had people here arguing Toney has good footwork :nut.

 

Yep, he's a great fighter.

Course Calzaghe didnt look Great in the Eubank fight, he had been a pro for 3 and a bit years against a great M/SMW. Harsh standards. How did Dawson look against Johnson??. A fighter nowhere the class of Eubank, tho closer to his best.

Agree, he looked shocking against Hop, but got the deserved decision at a new weight, the first time of asking against the P4P no.3. Not bad.

The forearm smash got Calzaghe, no arguments.


Someone that flat footed cant get a decision over a boxer like Calzaghe however you paint it. If it wasnt for Toney's skill in counterpunching, it wouldnt even be close.

 

Some folk will go to extremes to try and make a point