Chris Eubank V James Toney

I don't believe James Toney could ever be stopped by anyone at 160 or 168. The guy has had 81 fights spanning 5 weight divisions, and he has been properly knocked down... ONCE.

He was caught off-balance by the greatest fighter of his generation, RJJ, and KD'd, but not remotely hurt even for a second.

He was caught off-balance by one of the strongest fighters and hardest hitters in the heavyweight division, Sam Peter.

Neither were actual knockdowns.

The only time he was ever KD'd properly was against Reggie Johnson, and Toney got up, fought back brilliantly in that round, and won the fight.


If he has the chin and defence to be KD'd once in 81 fights, and never be stopped, and compete regularly with top cruiserweights and heavyweights,

HTF could Eubank stop him at 160/168?

 

I suppose you can argue that chin/punch resistance fluctuates when weight is gained or lost so to say he wasnt stopped at HW so couldnt be stopped at MW could be questioned.....that said I do agree some guys just take a good shot no matter what weight......of that era only really Benn/McClennan had the power to trouble Toney I would think......but I dunno cos its all guesswork

 

I don't mean to be insulting or flippant here, but I say no way never by no-one. Toney's powers of recuperation, his defence, his all-round ring nous, his will - he may have perilous moments against the greats and lose to many of them, but I cannot accept that a James Toney in peak physical condition could ever be floored so many times in a round that he couldn't get up, or that he'd ever be so unable to defend himself that the referee would be forced to save him.

 

Yep, if anyone is hit clean and hard on the temple in the right place at the right time then they are going down, and because you get so dizzy and lose your balance for a short time you can easily get counted out, you don't have to be brutally punched to a pulp to be KO/TKO'ed

Nobody is bulletproof in boxing

 

From what I know of him, I guess we can't actually say that anyone would be safe from a KO at the hands of Stanley Ketchel.

I do not believe Toney would be stopped at mw no matter who he fought in any era, but I do accept it is a possibility. Apparently Ketchel's punch was an inhuman WMD!

 

I am sick of Toney dream fights on ESB because all the Toney nuthuggers will pick Toney to win without considering how good the other fighter was. Toney (at heavy weight) Vs Prime Tyson for example. You know the Toney fans will pick JT by KO or something stupid and still claim that his chi was so great that not even Mike could stop him.

 

Nah, nobody would say that.

 

you do have point but the true fans of JT dont.

 

Pre-Watson Eubank has a very good chance of beating Toney IMO. The thing with Eubank after the Watson tragedy was, not only did he lost that "killer instinct" of his, you can see a noticeable decline on his activity and workrate all together as well. There are rounds in alot of his fights where he just wouldn't go to work(unless he's forced to).

Pre-Watson Eubank was a different fighter altogether. Constantly looks for openings and when he sees it, attacks with full force. Puts combinations very beautifully and, because of his unorthodox stance, he has one of the sneakiest punch I've ever seen. His straight right was just so sneaky that you just couldn't consistently predict when it will be thrown at you. He throws it at any angle and even when he's out of position for crying out loud. And all of that, with deadly accuracy. I also liked the way he actively creates angles of his own by doing feints. He was just a different animal back then. Not to mention he has pretty good reflexes and dodging skills as well.

Toney would undoubtedly be the favorite. He beats post-Watson Eubank in a very competitive UD. Against the pre-Watson one, I don't think Lights Out beats him convincingly and really think it could go either way, both at 160 and 168. Most here have and will pick Toney but I just think that version of Eubank has what it takes to beat a very formidable Toney.

Just my 2 cents.. :good

 

This would be a snoozefest.

 

wow, dead even for pts thus far. good to see eubank getting the credit he deserves. still maintain watson as the best of the three though (Benn included, not Toney) shame his career was cut short.