Chris John 50-0 & 20 title defense, in 2 more fights!

We are already there if you think about. The "trinket's have devalued the World titles, to the point where people don't even care or bother to keep up any more their novelty is worn off. But will be remembered where the bouts where the fighters stood up and faced the best in their prime. Something that has become an oddity these days, this is why I say Floyd Mayweather Jr will be judge harshly by boxing historians. Chris John will be all but forgotten......He never fought Celestino Caballero, JuanMa Lopez, Yuriorkis Gamboa. All a bunch of regional no name boxers, for the sake of making it the "Chris John Show."

I have spoke to John's manager, and basically it comes down to this, he is a rock star in Indonesia and makes more money than anything he's been offered in the states, so why take in bigger challenges for the same or less money?

Smart guy

 

This is true.

But you don't judge a fighter by who they didn't fight, you judge them based on who they did fight.

And John has a great resume.

 

Your right, am just a little scorned of the missed chances for great bouts. Chris John has a "slick" style and I would have loved to have seen him against those opponents.

 

Without question...

He had a chance to at least pick up a second GREAT win. Because at the moment he doesn't exactly have one. Just a few good ones and then a whole lot of decent ones.

 

The only problem with your way of thinking is that we have film now.
We have the internet which is loaded with articles of journalism to be accessed for all-time.

50 years from now when someone wants to research Chris Johns maybe undefeated record, they'll see that he fought in a strong era of featherweights. Then they'll wonder why he only faced one.
Then they'll see the articles of journalist calling it "robbery!"

Then they'll see that except two close fights with a journeyman, he never traveled out of Asia.

20 defenses in an era of 7 to 10 champions per division.....:nut
When they research the great fighter John beat on paper, they'll see the articles pointing to his robbery escapades with Norwood, Pacquiao, and John.


Historians are not dumb my friend. History will judge John proper.
A good Indonesian fighter without the hunger to test his abilities to far away from his backyard.

History now judges proper. History now leaves tracks others behind can follow.
......and they take into account shady decisions. :deal
The most popular fighter of his era (DLH) is now judged proper by most historians. Well outside the top 50 of all-time. :yep

When an historian takes a look at John's streak, they'll wonder why he was'nt in the p4p lists and the fighter he beat JMM was alway in the top 5.
Historians will study and figure it out!

Historians question everything, even true greatness. They'll disect John's run in a blink of an eye and label it what it was. A backyard fighter who did'nt stray from the vicinity of his backyard and never seeked to fight the best featherweights of his era rich with great featherweight fighters.
It will be all to easy!

 

You are right, historians will judge (and it will not be good)) Floyd. Wait, are you talking about Floyd or C.J.?

 

I'm talking about both! :good


You're right, but Floyd's own standards John is an ATG, there's no official blueprint for John, though one officially (the great Rocky Juarez) drew with the great Chirs John.

Wonder if by Floyd's standards that draw disqualifies John? :huh

 

Agreed. I think things were never quite the same after Leonard-Lalonde. That was the first significant example I can think of where a fighter was able to manufacture a record-breaking scenario by manipulating the alphabet game. At the time it was a big deal to some people that he won a title in five weight divisions. History hasn't been kind to that particular achievement though, and the only real credit he gets for that fight is that he was able to get off the floor and stop a younger, bigger opponent when he was well past his best.

The current fighters who want to enhance their legacy need to wake up to the fact that belts are becoming less and less significant, and history will be much kinder to those who took risks and fought the best fighters out there.

Of course, there are fighters who are less concerned about their legacy and more bothered about making a good living and getting out with their health intact. On a personal level you can't really begrudge them that as it is a dangerous sport, but it does get frustrating as a fan.

 

Anywhere else in the world The Gecko John gets a clear decision loss to Marquez. Marquez whupped him in his hometown and they still have the nerve to give it to Iguana Boy. But it's ok even 50 years from now no one will remember him because his win over Marquez was a fluke. They will see Cris John and think its Bolo Yeung with aids.

 

WBA Hall of Fame

not BOXING Hall of Fame

lets not be delusional

 

NOt sure if you're eltarado or eltrollolo:huh