Christopher Eubank - Benn was stupid, Collins was nuts, Toney was mine!

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Former WBO middleweight and super-middleweight belt-holder in the early to mid 1990s, Chris Eubank (Sr.), was one of the most famous and wealthiest sportsmen in Britain; residing on the same cloud as Nick Faldo, Nigel Mansell, Lester Piggott, Linford Christie and Paul Gascoigne.


    But at sixteen, Chris Eubank was a mess: smoking, drinking, taking dope, shoplifting and burglary were a way of life. He’d been absconding for most of his teenage life at that point, mostly on the backseats of cars he had broken into, before jumping bail to board a plane to New York on the insistence of his father, where he would live with his mother in The Bronx.


    He walked into the Jerome Boxing Club one day and the rest is history.


    “I couldn’t steal no longer because I had a fear of firearms, and my brothers – who had never accepted me – now felt more shame on me than ever. They were boxers.


    “I started boxing and it became an obsession for me to master every part of it, for their acceptance, while living lawfully. I trained like a madman, every day of the week for hours on end for years and years.


    “But fighting Nigel Benn was the ultimate challenge of a man’s courage. There was nobody more intimidating, nobody more fierce, not in The Bronx or anywhere. Not Tyson.


    “He beat me to within inches of my life and so I had to beat him to within inches of his life to beat him,” Eubank said of his famous UK rival.


    Of his second fight with Steve Collins, which sent him on his way to premature, temporary retirement, he reasoned: “The only reason Collins beat me that night was because, that night, he was absolutely mental, nutty!


    He recalled a picture that he hadn’t been able to get out of his head of Collins getting through the ropes with his feet off the ground ie literally flying though the air to start the fight!


    “The guy was crying tears of anger, snorting like a bull on his way to the ring.


    “In essence, I was, for the first time, totally unnerved, I had never had my mental composure broken in that way before. I probably won one round in all.


    “He seemed nervy in all the press conferences leading up to the fight, which was purposeful so as he could break my false sense of security with his resolve on the night. If he showed that resolve in the press conferences beforehand, there would have been nothing to break, and I’d have stood him on his head.


    “I beat Benn because he was imprudent. He was fierce, intimidating, which was his natural self. I was superior because to appear fierce is stupid because you’re telling me who you are. To be as ferocious as you are, and to let me know, is stupid.”


    His theory on why he was disliked by so many Brits goes as follows:


    “In accordance of my fighting stances, and posturing, the media found it very easy to make me out to be the bad fellow. But I wasn’t, that was just the warrior inside me. Very rarely did I pull my shoulders back, more often than not it was the warrior doing it for me.


    “When I did pull my shoulders back and pull a face or dance or play, the case was this: I didn’t have an eccentric persona, I had an ascetic persona, and cutting weight really took it’s toll on me; I was in a bad mood for weeks on end, and all through training camp. When I got to rehydrate, I got into a euphoric state, thus setting off my personality on fight-night. My spirits were too high to lose.


    “When I stood and looked at the crowd and my opponent in the way that I would sometimes, it was a mirror image of what I was feeling: I was clean, I was true to the form, I didn’t drink, I didn’t smoke, I didn’t do drugs, I had no vices of any kind. I didn’t have a vice, any vice. So I could stand there and say ‘Look at me, look how clean I am, you’re not beating me.'”


    He feels he was only ever out-boxed on one occasion in his career. “Michael Watson second fight, he’s the only one who stood with me skill-for-skill, punch-for-punch and got the better of me on that night at White Hart Lane, just going at me full-pelt for every minute of rounds on end; with me having schooled him for the first five or six rounds of the strategic first fight.


    “Most of my opponents like Gary Stretch and Ray Close and Ron Essett and Dan Sherry would run around the ring, get off a few light taps when I launched at them and then hug and hold me and that’s it, literally, every round.


    “Graciano Rocchigiani wouldn’t take his gloves away from his face for a second. John Jarvis wasn’t covering up or clinching and got taken out cleanly with a clinical counter, as soon as we went toe-to-toe.


    “I had the shots, the moves, the range, the timing, the speed, the power, the combinations. Technically I would’ve beaten James Toney in a chess match or matched Roy Jones in a game of chess, but Toney had more fire in his belly than even Nigel Benn and less doubt in his mind than Benn, and Jones was as clean as me, even more gifted than Benn and strengthened through suffering from his father as I was from my brothers, giving him a similar will to me.


    “So a Toney or Jones fight with me would’ve been like a Watson II fight for me, which is probably why they thankfully never took place.”
     
  2. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so many good fights back then that should have been made
     
  3. Bulldog24

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  4. Scar

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    RJJ and Toney would have been like Watson II for Eubank?. :rofl Jones would have literally thrashed him like he's nothing and Toney would have given him a tough close fight.
     
  5. Bulldog24

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  6. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    “So a Toney or Jones fight with me would’ve been like a Watson II fight for me, which is probably why they thankfully never took place.”

    Can people please stop saying that Jones "ducked" Eubank please...
     
  7. Ryan the Lion

    Ryan the Lion King of the Jungle Full Member

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    Eubank never wanted to be the best! He only wanted to be one of the best.....And he was!

    Probably the best of the bunch IMO. :deal
     
  8. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He doesn't call benn "stupid"...he says benn's ferocious approach was like showing his hand, which eubank thinks worked against benn. but that tactic worked well for benn against a lotta other guys...even eubank admits he was more scared of benn than he was of tyson.
     
  9. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Collins took him to school twice.
     
  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Collins rushed him and mauled him.
     
  11. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Jones-Eubank would have been a chess match for sure.. I think Roy would have outpointed him. It wouldn't have been an easy night for Roy though by any means.

    Toney-Eubank another chess match, probably a bit closer than Jones-Eubank would be.
     
  12. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    If Eubank landed flush of Roys fragile mandible it would have been good night though.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Collins I was very close indeed despite Collins having literally EVERYTHING in his favour:

    Home advantage.

    An EXTREMELY partisan and fired up Irish crowd roaring him on and baying for Eubank's blood (it was a massive event. It was the first major fight in Dublin for a long time IIRC).

    A dodgy KD counted against him (I understand why the ref called it though) and a seemingly legitimate one he scored not called.

    And facing a Eubank who'd been on an extremely hectic and busy schedule for the previous year prior to the fight - it was his 7th fight in 13 months and all but one of them had gone the full 12 round distance. Collins once complained of being ''exhausted and needing a long rest'' after having fought 4 times in a year, and IIRC only one of them went the full route.

    Then there was all the hypnotist shenanigans from Collins, which affected Eubank to such an extent he appeared on the verge of tears during a Sky Sports interview on the eve of the fight and had him coming very close to pulling out of the fight altogether only days before.

    And even with all that against him he still came close to pulling it off. In fact, many felt he did enough to get the win.
     
  14. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Pity he has openly said on numerous occasions that he didnt want to fight while he was in his prime.
     
  15. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice that Chris knew both Roy and Toney were better than he was.