Christopher Eubank - Benn was stupid, Collins was nuts, Toney was mine!

Bulldog24 · Sep 13, 2014

CE failed to make 190 for the rematch and had to jump rope in front of a heater and strip completely.

Mind Reader · Sep 14, 2014

Bulldog24 said: ↑

I don't think Jones was shown on British TV yet. First I saw of him was against Thomas Tate.
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What I am getting at, is on here you see Eubank's name on the long list of fighters Roy "ducked"...

Isn't it fair to say, that both fighters were aware of each other and had great respect for one another, but neither never really pursued the fight? Eubank has said on more than one occasion he didn't go after Roy, and was glad he didn't.

VG_Addict · Sep 14, 2014

What if RJJ fought Eubank, Benn, and Collins?

Mind Reader · Sep 14, 2014

Serge said: ↑

CW Eubank + the concoction of steroids and PEDs Roy was pumped full of for Ruiz vs John Ruiz?

CW Thompson probably hit harder than Ruiz and he threw everything bar the kitchen sink at Eubank and landed flush with sickening regularity. Eubank took everything he could dish out.
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Hows it going Serge?:good

Do you remember what kinds of tests Eubank was subject to for that fight or even other fights?

I think the only sure way to bust a roider is random blood, and quite honestly don't put it past anyone.. I think they have been rampant in boxing for decades, and it is not just an American problem.

I also remember reading that Nigel Benn once refused to be tested, but don't know how true it is.. Do you know anything about that?

Mind Reader · Sep 14, 2014

VG_Addict said: ↑

What if RJJ fought Eubank, Benn, and Collins?
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I honestly think Benn has the best chance, but he could be knocked out quick just as well... Eubank-Jones would be a chess match that Roy would edge IMO, Collins would have rushed Jones and got picked apart on the ropes. I am talking prime Jones though, Collins' style would be perfect to beat post HW Jones.

Bulldog24 · Sep 14, 2014

Eubank on steroids? Whatever next...

Mind Reader · Sep 14, 2014

Bulldog24 said: ↑

Thompson came in at 210lb ripped to the bone. Eubank turned pro at 154lb. Absurd stuff. No steroids.
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Do you know what kinds of tests Eubank was subject to throughout his career? Particularly after getting whipped by a green Calzaghe, then looking like a wrecking machine at CW months later?

I am not accusing, just simply asking if he was tested and how?

Mind Reader · Sep 14, 2014

Bulldog24 said: ↑

Eubank on steroids? Whatever next...
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Can you answer the question above please?

pecho26 · Sep 14, 2014

Eubank was tough no doubt about it but Roy would have trashed him.
Toney would have played with him. Too much skill for Eubank.

iceman71 · Sep 14, 2014

Bulldog24 said: ↑

Former WBO middleweight and super-middleweight belt-holder in the early to mid 1990s, Chris Eubank (Sr.), was one of the most famous and wealthiest sportsmen in Britain; residing on the same cloud as Nick Faldo, Nigel Mansell, Lester Piggott, Linford Christie and Paul Gascoigne.

But at sixteen, Chris Eubank was a mess: smoking, drinking, taking dope, shoplifting and burglary were a way of life. Hed been absconding for most of his teenage life at that point, mostly on the backseats of cars he had broken into, before jumping bail to board a plane to New York on the insistence of his father, where he would live with his mother in The Bronx.

He walked into the Jerome Boxing Club one day and the rest is history.

I couldnt steal no longer because I had a fear of firearms, and my brothers who had never accepted me now felt more shame on me than ever. They were boxers.

I started boxing and it became an obsession for me to master every part of it, for their acceptance, while living lawfully. I trained like a madman, every day of the week for hours on end for years and years.

But fighting Nigel Benn was the ultimate challenge of a mans courage. There was nobody more intimidating, nobody more fierce, not in The Bronx or anywhere. Not Tyson.

He beat me to within inches of my life and so I had to beat him to within inches of his life to beat him, Eubank said of his famous UK rival.

Of his second fight with Steve Collins, which sent him on his way to premature, temporary retirement, he reasoned: The only reason Collins beat me that night was because, that night, he was absolutely mental, nutty!

He recalled a picture that he hadnt been able to get out of his head of Collins getting through the ropes with his feet off the ground ie literally flying though the air to start the fight!

The guy was crying tears of anger, snorting like a bull on his way to the ring.

In essence, I was, for the first time, totally unnerved, I had never had my mental composure broken in that way before. I probably won one round in all.

He seemed nervy in all the press conferences leading up to the fight, which was purposeful so as he could break my false sense of security with his resolve on the night. If he showed that resolve in the press conferences beforehand, there would have been nothing to break, and Id have stood him on his head.

I beat Benn because he was imprudent. He was fierce, intimidating, which was his natural self. I was superior because to appear fierce is stupid because youre telling me who you are. To be as ferocious as you are, and to let me know, is stupid.

His theory on why he was disliked by so many Brits goes as follows:

In accordance of my fighting stances, and posturing, the media found it very easy to make me out to be the bad fellow. But I wasnt, that was just the warrior inside me. Very rarely did I pull my shoulders back, more often than not it was the warrior doing it for me.

When I did pull my shoulders back and pull a face or dance or play, the case was this: I didnt have an eccentric persona, I had an ascetic persona, and cutting weight really took its toll on me; I was in a bad mood for weeks on end, and all through training camp. When I got to rehydrate, I got into a euphoric state, thus setting off my personality on fight-night. My spirits were too high to lose.

When I stood and looked at the crowd and my opponent in the way that I would sometimes, it was a mirror image of what I was feeling: I was clean, I was true to the form, I didnt drink, I didnt smoke, I didnt do drugs, I had no vices of any kind. I didnt have a vice, any vice. So I could stand there and say Look at me, look how clean I am, youre not beating me.'

He feels he was only ever out-boxed on one occasion in his career. Michael Watson second fight, hes the only one who stood with me skill-for-skill, punch-for-punch and got the better of me on that night at White Hart Lane, just going at me full-pelt for every minute of rounds on end; with me having schooled him for the first five or six rounds of the strategic first fight.

Most of my opponents like Gary Stretch and Ray Close and Ron Essett and Dan Sherry would run around the ring, get off a few light taps when I launched at them and then hug and hold me and thats it, literally, every round.

Graciano Rocchigiani wouldnt take his gloves away from his face for a second. John Jarvis wasnt covering up or clinching and got taken out cleanly with a clinical counter, as soon as we went toe-to-toe.

I had the shots, the moves, the range, the timing, the speed, the power, the combinations. Technically I wouldve beaten James Toney in a chess match or matched Roy Jones in a game of chess, but Toney had more fire in his belly than even Nigel Benn and less doubt in his mind than Benn, and Jones was as clean as me, even more gifted than Benn and strengthened through suffering from his father as I was from my brothers, giving him a similar will to me.

So a Toney or Jones fight with me wouldve been like a Watson II fight for me, which is probably why they thankfully never took place.
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he contradicts himself. he said not long ago on Ringside - Gloves are off (the super middleweights) he said fighting jones or toney back then would have been like suicide for him.
I know he talks out of his as$ but saying that was just stupid

Serge · Sep 15, 2014

Mind Reader said: ↑

Hows it going Serge?:good

Do you remember what kinds of tests Eubank was subject to for that fight or even other fights?

I think the only sure way to bust a roider is random blood, and quite honestly don't put it past anyone.. I think they have been rampant in boxing for decades, and it is not just an American problem.

I also remember reading that Nigel Benn once refused to be tested, but don't know how true it is.. Do you know anything about that?
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Hello mate, hope you're well?

I don't know what tests he was subjected to that fight, Bulldog is the man to ask about that seeing as he knows what colour underpants Eubank is going to be wearing before Eubank does. lol. But I should imagine it would probably have been the same standard testing that is carried out for every title fight from British to world over here.

I agree that random testing is the way to go. I do think PED abuse seems to be more rife in this sport in the US than it is over here though. But by the same token I also think it's more widespread everywhere than most realize too.

I vaguely remembering hearing that about Benn, but I don't know if there's any truth to it. I know a member of Gerald McClellan's family or team said they discovered 15 year old stale blood on one of McClellan's boots from the fight that allegedly contained traces of steroids on it, but it just seemed really far fetched and ridiculous.

But I'd be very, very disappointed if I found out it was true as Benn is one of my favourites.:good

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