Chronology Of The 90's Pound For Pound Number One Race

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  1. Stuart_boxer

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    I made this video to chronicle the race for pound for pound number one in the 90's.

    Let me know what you think of the video.

    Calling it a "race" is a bit subjective as I think some fighter's don't particularly care for the title of best pound for pound whereas others like Pernell Whittaker place a great deal of importance on it.

    For those of you who aren't particularly interested in my video but are otherwise interested in the discussion, according the Ring, the rankings by year went;

    1990 - Julio Cesar Chavez

    1991- Julio Cesar Chavez

    1992 - Julio Cesar Chavez

    1993 - Pernell Whittaker

    1994 - Pernell Whittaker

    1995 - Pernell Whittaker

    1996 - Roy Jones Jr.

    1997 - Oscar De La Hoya

    1998 - Oscar De La Hoya

    1999 - Roy Jones Jr.
     
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  2. Jel

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    Can't see the video. Looks like the link is broken.
     
  3. Stuart_boxer

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    It’s working ok for me.

    What region are you in?
     
  4. Jel

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    If there was a pound for pound no. 1 lineage of the 90s it would go something like:
    Jan-Feb 1990: Mike Tyson
    March 1990 - October 1993: Julio Cesar Chavez
    October 1993 - November 1994: Pernell Whitaker
    November 1994 - rest of the 90s: Roy Jones

    I think the period between Jones's win over Toney in November 94 and Jones's destructions of Montell Griffin in 97 and Virgil Hill in 98 is debatable as to who was a clear number one but Whitaker was starting to slip from late 95/early 96 onwards and with him losing to Oscar in 97 that put a definitive end to his claim I think.

    But I don't see a very strong case for DLH being no. 1 in 1997 either. Jones's win over a top 3 p4p undefeated James Toney back in 94 still gave him the edge over Oscar in my view but maybe Jones' DQ loss to Griffin (a temporary black mark on his rep) hurt him? But Oscar struggled to beat Whitaker, too, good win though it was.

    The Ring ranking DLH at no. 1 in 1998 though is just plain wrong. Jones KOed Griffin late in 97 and beat Hill a few months later in 98 to cement his place. By that point Jones was every inch the best fighter in the game. Oscar fought twice in 98, his best win against an even more faded Chavez than the one he beat in 96. Hardly p4p no. 1 material.
     
  5. Stuart_boxer

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    I think it's easier to rank with hindsight than it is to go off the rankings that you have at the time.

    Jones just didn't have the results in the bank that De La Hoya had but he always seemed to have greater potential.

    The loss to Griffin was a bit weird. If he hadn't have hit him when he was down he would likely have won anyway but why hit him when he was down? It seemed very insecure and undisciplined.

    There are few other examples of boxers hitting their opponent after a knockdown. Riddick Bowe's done it, Barrera's done it but it is rare.

    One thing I'd also say is it seems to me Whittaker probably should have been ranked no. 1 prior to his "draw" with Chavez in 93. Tough to pinpoint exactly when that should have happened though.
     
  6. ChrisJS

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    Yeah, De La Hoya was never the best boxer in the world. He was probably never in the top 2-3 for me.
     
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    De La Hoya really peaked for his two fights with Chavez in my opinion, his power looked awesome in those two fights.

    I thought he probably should have lost a decision to Whittaker though and that would likely have cost him the P4P no. 1 rank if the decision didn't go his way. Fighting as a southpaw for the first time as a pro in that fight was a big mistake but he got away with it.
     
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    Where would you have ranked him year end 97?
     
  9. Stuart_boxer

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    I’ve just found out google/YouTube automatically flagged it by family filter so that might be the reason why you couldn’t see it if you had a family filter turned on.


     
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    I can see it now - thanks!
     
  11. Jel

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    I'm looking at this from the time rather than from hindsight. Chavez was recognised by almost everyone as the no. 1 fighter in the game between early 1990 and 1993. Until they met, Whitaker was clearly number 2 during the same period but they had to fight for him to establish his supremacy, even if Chavez was slowing down a bit during the same period.

    As for Jones and De La Hoya, between 1995 and 1996, Jones was the best fighter in the sport - it was pretty obvious, regardless of opposition. But I'd say Whitaker was arguably still clinging on to his p4p top spot based on picking up the junior middleweight title.

    De La Hoya was emerging as a top fighter during the same period but I don't think there was any point between 1995 and 1998 where he could plausibly be considered better than Jones, even when Jones was DQ'ed and DLH beat Whitaker.

    Even at the time it seemed clear who the best fighter was so I don't think this is revisionist thinking at all.
     
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