Chuvalo In The Late 1890's/Early1900's How Far Could He Go?

What the hell are you talking about? I asked BD for fight film of Jeffries showing nimble foot work expectng him to say the training clips because that's what everyone cites .[ he didn't reply you did ,and gave the Ruhlin fight as your example , which I dont accept illustrates your point , ] I could then demonstrate that ,contrary to popular folk lore no such FIGHT film of Jeffries exists something I STILL BELEIVE .Same thing applies to Johnson actually.

I know exactly what I asked for , you really are ,



never mind.

 

The boxing biographies link gives a round by round summary of the fight and mentions Ruhlins mental state.

I thopught it was interesting that no mention was made of broken ribs I never at any time suggested you had claimed they were.Second guessing again
Several do claim ribs were broken so I thought it was worth mentioning , obviously not.
The quotes by Martin and Jeffries come from the newpaper named . In my naivety I thought posting the quote would be enough,I was wrong, it comes from Adam Pollack's book but if you prefer not to believe me it doesn't matter ,I just typed it to demonstrate I hadn't reached out and plucked it from the ozone.
I didn't think that was so obscure.


Now its my formatting that is under the microscope ? Look if you find my posts so objectionable don't reply ,and don't engage in my threads its really that simple .
I've had all the pedantry I need for this week -end thanks.


What you term a loopy fued is the result of a man 30 years younger than me calling me out and, when I accepted losing his bottle and entering and leaving my country without contacting me like a thief in the night. It has zero to do with our respective stances on Jeffries or Johnson. I hate cowards and liars, and Mendoza is both. Perhaps that challenge would not have bothered you, but you are definitely not me.

I'm including you in nothing, don't think you hold that much importance to me, you don't.

 

pass

 

Why not just leave my threads alone ? Then we will both be winners.:good

 

If you could stop telling lies about footage that you haven't seen because it does not exist ie the first Burns knockdown by Johnson.
. The Langford v Hague fight

If you could answer requests from posters and show the clip in which Johnson hits Moran on the break .

If you could supply a primary source that states Burns had jaundice when he fought Johnson.
Ditto that he broke Johnson's ribs.
Ditto that Johnson fouled Burns.
Ditto that Ketchel gave Johnson a black eye.
Ditto that Jeffries was in front in the fight Corbett fight.
Ditto that Jeffries won some rounds against Johnson[ he won ONE]
Ditto that Johnson deliberately fouled Jeannette.
Ditto that Johnson was losing against Jeannette .
Ditto that Jeannette only weighed 165lbs for his last Johnson fight.


If you could provide primary sources to back up these lies and many , many more that you have made.
eg The Johnson/ Johnson fight was schedued for 20 rounds and cut short to save the champion from defeat.

The French Boxing federation Of Clubs stripped Johnson of his title because of the poor fight he had with Jim Johnson.
Burns defended his title against a South African jew in Jewey Smith.[he was a Londoner ,and C of E].
Joe Louis was the beneficary of crooked refereeing in his title defenses .
Joe Louis had a special arrangement with MSG.


If you could manage to bring yourself to admit these are all absolutely baseless, and false claims that you continually repeat to prop up your own twisted agenda.

If you could do this, you would still not be a good poster , but at least you would not be the pathological liar that you are.

 

You were asked to point out where Johnson fouled Moran by hitting on the referees command to break you have not done so. Moran's corner did not cry foul at all. I have the reports of the fight. Ferguson was not very good?
Good enough to floor and beat Joe Jeannette.

Good enough to floor Marvin Hart and have him groggy several times only to be robbed of the decision.

"According to the New York Evening World, Sandy Ferguson was clearly robbed of a victory by the decision of referee Patsy Earl. "Ferguson outclassed his man as a boxer. He hit him when and where he pleased, and several times during the contest had Hart on "***** Street"." Ferguson decked Hart in the seventh, and in the 13th only the ropes saved Hart from going down again. The crowd disagreed vociferously with the unjust decision. Referee Earl later stated he gave Hart the nod because he had done most of the leading" Does this sound familiar?

Good enough to twice draw with Gus Ruhlin.

Good enough to ko Bob Armstrong in ONE ROUND.

Beat Jim Barry twice.

Draw with Sam Langford.

Good enough to ko Al Kubiak.

Good enough to ko Klondike Haines.

What a cretin!

 

I have Carpentier's auto biography here.

If Ferguson was no good, how do you account for the wins I posted over class fighters? Plus the draws with Langford and Ruhlin , the robbery against Hart were they no good too?