Chuvalo vs Jones

I can't answer your question, I'll leave it to the smarter guys! Have never seen the fight but many who have said Chuvalo 'accidentally' stepped on Doug's foot, prior to the KO, putting him off balance. IMO Jones was never Championship material despite his polished skills; too small and didn't pack that big a punch. I love George, a tough out in ANY era, but I've grown sick over the years of his, almost, constant whining about his decision losses. Look at his resume of wins: Jones, a faded DeJohn, the anomaly against Quarry when he was seconds away from being stopped being, in Cosell's words, "a bloody pulpy mess!" Radamacher beat him for pete's sake! Lost 2 of 3 to that other Canadian 'oak tree', name escapes me, LeCroux?? No signature wins IMO. Back to thread: Why was Jones-Chuvalo a 12 rounder? Reminds me of Maxim-Patterson being scheduled for eight only? Joey still viable and only a year or two past being the LHW Champ. Perhaps someone could throw some light on both questions. My $0.02

 

Well, he gave prime Ali his toughest fight putting him in the hospital for three days. Bith fights agaibst Ali were close fights if you score body shots.

 

Chuvalo was a good tough journeyman, a gatekeeper contender.
Tough, strong and well-conditioned. That's why he has fans.
No, he wasn't a world class contender in the truest sense but a good opponent for the top guys and the champs.

 

All bull****. Self serving nonsense told by Chuvalo and his deluded fans as per usual. In reality Ali was given 13 of the 15 rounds by the AP. One judge gave Chuvalo two rounds, the other two gave him only one. All three judges were Canadian. Chuvalo and Canadians like yourself love to tell the old chestnut that despite Chuvalo losing he went out dancing with his wife while Ali went to the hospital. Its some weird form moral victory for them to save face for the fact that Chuvalo never lived up to his hype. In reality Ali went to his dressing room immediately after the fight, showered, changed into a tuxedo, returned for the post fight press conference where he gave a lengthy, defiant series of interviews and displayed the only mark he suffered from the fight: A swollen knuckle courtesy of bouncing punches off of Chuvalo's head. Ali then went out partying that night and then flew down to Florida the following morning where he and his team immediately began talks for Henry Cooper who he fought less than two months later despite supposedly being beaten so bad by Chuvalo that he was hospitalized. Given that its the HW champion this concerns all of the above is easy to find if you actually want to look but god forbid we let the facts get in the way of a good story. LOL. Keep dreaming.

 

Chuvalo probably did better against young Ali than most people expected. He did better than Patterson and Liston had.
Chuvalo was coming off a loss to Eduardo Corletti and was received the call to challenge Ali on late notice.
So his performance wasn't at all bad taken in proper context.

 

Well, Chuvalo claims Ali went to the hospital after the fight. I dont think he would lie about that to the publi, as its pretty easy to prove him wrong. Am I supposed to take your word over George Chuvalos? I dont think so.

The judges were Canadian but Canadians actually make their own earn their way unlike sone countries. This has been proven over and over in the nhl.

You talk about Chuvalos fans beeing deluded where its Ali fans like yourself who are the most delusional in all of sports. you act like he was some sort of god.

 

You dont have to believe me, you could get off your ass and look it up instead of believing the words of one of the excuse driven, biased, self serving story tellers the ring ever witnessed. So who is deluded, you, who admits your only source is Chuvalo, or me who didnt bother to get Alis side of the story but instead double checked his facts by trackinf Alis movements in the Canadian and American press during the week after the fight? If you care to take the effort then go do that and then come back here and state your case. Unless you want to pretend that the press was biased against Chuvalo as well, which im sure you will seeing as how the published cards fell perfectly in line with those same judges you pretend were overly hard on Chuvalo. Ive yet to see a contemporary account giving Chuvalo more than three rounds (which is how many i scored for him) so I guess in that sense the fact that no judge gave him more than 2 rounds could be construed as being hard on Chuvalo but its a comically far difference from your hyperbole about both Chuvalo fights being close. They werent and in fact they were easy to score.

 

Well how come you dont share what you found? Why have you kept it to your self? I have not been able to find anything that your making claims about.

If you scored body shots which you should the fight was close. Ali also had his trunks far to high so body shots around the belt line should be counted if you want to score the match fairly.

Ali landed mostly just jabs that fight and a lot of them blatent back hander style which are illegal and should not be scored, but I still scored them for him.