chuvalo vs tunney.......

So since you are doubling down on your off the chart statement regarding Chuvalo's chin perhaps you'll tell us how many heavyweights you believe have proven to have better chins ? As far as his heart goes it really is not even worth responding to except to ask if you know the difference between being beaten and being a dog ?

 

100% lie , I NEVER SAID THAT CHUVALO WAS BETTER THAN ROCKY, YOU SAID THAT CHUVALO WAS LIMITED, BUT ROCKY WAS 185 POUNDS AND STILL HE WAS VERY SLOW, HE DID NOT HAVE NO GREAT SKILL,HE HAD HEART,SOME HITTING POWER FOR HIS SIZE AND HE TOOK EVERY BLOW WITH HIS FACE , MARCIANO HIMSELF WAS LIMITED.AND I SAID THAT FOREMAN WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY MARCIANO.`¡.

yes chuvalo would be a decent oponent for dempsey basing on his chin, the styles and he was stronger than dempsey. DEMPSEY WOULD EXCHANGE BLOWS WITH CHUVALO FOR SURE. AND CHUVALO WAS A HARD GUY, VERY STRONG. but dempsey was better than marciano, it is a fact.

Poor bum liar

 

Both his heart and chin are hard to quantify in my opinion for the simply fact that he was a frontrunner who shut down when he started to fall behind on points. Marion Wilson is considered to have a great chin but he did the same thing George did: Walk forward behind a high guard taking few chances. Had George opened up and actually tried to win a few of the fights that he lost almost every round we might know more about his heart and chin. I have a big problem with guys like Chuvalo, McCall, Tua etc who live off the reputation they have for a chin but have a record dotted with losses in which they basically didnt try once the going got tough. Ali had a great ****ing chin, you know why? Because even when he was getting hit and hurt and refused to go down he continued to actually fight back and try to win. George didnt do that. He shut down, hid behind his guard and prepared for the judges to give him a loss. If thats heart and chin then we have a different understanding of what those things are.

Ive said it before and ill say it again: Chuvalo always brags about how after his first fight Ali was supposedly in the hospital (a fact Id need some proof of) and Chuvalo went dancing. That right there typifies Chuvalos career. Had he actually left it all in the ring and not had enough juice to take his wife dancing afterwards he might have actually accomplished something other than being able to claim that he was the guy who got beat by everybody but wasnt knocked down... except by Bonavena.

 

In which fights exactly did he shut down and go into a shell?

Chuvalo did leave it all in the ring with Ali the first time.

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sorry Combat you said they'd fight lif and death that was it and you also said the Chuvalo was stronger than Marciano :rofl sorry yeah it was Foreman that you said would destroy Marciano and that Marciano wouldn't even be in the top 4 in the world rankings for the 60's and the 70's :rofl

did you mean that being 185 or thereabouts makes you limited? Because being 215-220 didn't help the 2 George's did it?

Oh I see you begrudgingly concede that Marciano only had some hitting power?? I guess you'd say that the great Joe Louis only had little hitting power then based on Jersey Joe Walcott stating that Rocky hit harder than Louis then? Or was Walcott lying aswell? That statement alone proves that you simply just have a personal axe to grind about Marciano - we're talking about one of the hardest hitters in heavyweight history For gods sake

 

With all due respect to Chuvalo, it's hard to find a better suited opponent for Marciano to pummel.

 

:thumbsup marciano and frazier both liked two fisted, plodding fighters who came in face first for punishment

 

totally agree with this, and your previous post. with respect to combat, i didn't see all his posts but if those were his points, i have to vehemently disagree. george is a good fighter who fought in a deep era. i personally don't think he would have dominated ANY era...he was born to be a solid test and top 10 contender

 

come on klomp, it was a metaphor :tong not comparing chuvalo to bevenuti or duran at all (intentionally), just saying that people have off nights. on chuvalo's BEST night, he's a decent test for most heavyweights. even the great ones due to his toughness and style (having said that, the way foreman and frazier manhandled him makes me want to reconsider that but you get my point)

 

Chuvalo had a hell of a lot of off nights. What was his best night the if you think on his best night he was a tough test for anyone? A lot of people might say his best night was against Ali but he only won a round or two of the fifteen. His fans will point to some of his fights against third raters and how he destroyed them as his best nights which IMO only bolsters my argument.

Others might say it was against Quarry but he lost every round in the fight, taking a face altering beating, and landed a shot that anyone would agree was basically a hail mary. Even then plenty of people did and do think it was a strange stoppage. It might be his best win but if thats his best night then he has problems.

When he fought Mathis he was favored to win. Mathis was thought to be fat, past it, unmotivated, and little heart. Instead he gave Chuvalo the beating of his life and did so in such fashion that it made Mathis look like a killer. If you make Mathis look like a killer youve got issues. The same thing happened against Ellis who was already slipping at that point. Ellis gave Chuvalo all he could handle and more. The only reason those scores were as close as they were was because the fight was held in Chuvalos backyard. I could go on and on (Baker, McMurtry, Rademacher, Erskine, Corletti, etc etc.) but the fact is the guy seemed to have his "best nights" when the competition wasnt too tough and had an awful lot of "off nights" at every stage of his career against the best guys he fought and some who werent so good.

 

man, it was lie 100%, i never said that chuvalo was better than marciano. this guy is a liar. i said that chuvalo was stronger than rocky, it for sure.(even foreman said that chuvalo was stronger than himself when they fought(THIS FOREMAN WAS VERY GREEN, VERY YOUNG, AND LIGHT)). chuvalo was a rock of 215 pounds and marciano a mini rock of 185 pounds. this guy(ROCKYSPLIT) said that chuvalo was limited, then i said that marciano himself was limited. marciano was not even a hw, he had poor skill, he was slow,he was short,he was not accurate, he took every shot with the face. marciano was =heart,stamina, hitting power... end of the historty. but still i think that rocky was better than chuvalo, but basing on the styles chuvalo would be a hard rival for marciano and dempsey

 

yes i said it, because it is the truth, liston,frazier,ali and foreman would beat marciano for sure.(liston and foreman would absolutely destroy him). chuvalo,shavers, and (principally) ron lyle,quarry and jimmy young would give him the hell

yes if you are a hw and you have to face great hws. obviously if you face small men,bums, old men and fat men not.

marciano was a hard puncher FOR HIS SIZE( nothing accurate, he did hit in the arms), he weighed 185 pounds, he was a very hard puncher pfp,yes, walcott said that marciano was harder puncher than louis with a single shot, louis got great combinations and? the best louis weighed 198 pounds and his real hitting power was his accuracy, his great combinations and his great skill but he did not have the hitting power of foreman,shavers,tyson,liston..

 

Let's put the chin to bed first. Against Foreman he took at least twenty flush shots to the face inside of forty seconds without going down. This was from a physically prime and fresh George Foreman. Many of these shots were at least as hard and likely harder than the single shot Frazier dropped Ali with in 71. I can not name one other fighter who took such punishment and remained standing. I am waiting to hear who you feel had a better chin and the fight we can review.

YOu don't like the guy's style, that's your choice. I believe you are penalizing him for lack of talent .. guys get tired chasing a prime Ali and getting hit in the eyes or the temples five hundred times in a night without being able to effectively counter. There is a limit to how many wild combinations they can throw chasing air before they topple .. why not say you don't like an Ali for jabbing, holding and running from a game man that wants to fight him ? You have tons of film. Show me where Chuvalo was dogging it ..

 

Tunney would not only soundly outbox Chuvalo throughout the fight, he would also lan MANY hard, flush right hands to George's noggin to get his respect. Never at any time would Gene try to ko George or stand too long in one place or get sloppy as Quarry did. It would be a very clinical, one sided bout and a wide points victory for Tunney. End of story.

 

:deali'm giving george up to 3 rounds in a 15 round fight if he can get tunney on the ropes and do some body work. other that, it's a whitewash for gene