Claressa shields' p4p list

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm deeply surprised by that

    I could rip the rest of it to shreds but she should explain why Usyk, Inoue, Loma, Taylor and Estrada aren't even worthy of inclusion, let alone being ranked below Jermello, Twink, herself and Stevenson

    Jermello has beaten 3 world champions in 36 fights and is just coming off a terrible robbery against Castano who should be the undisputed four-belt king at 154 right now and even seemingly most of Shields buddies over at the LDBC begrudgingly scored it for Castano

    The world champions that Jermello has beaten are

    Glass jaw Tony Harrison who got knocked out by Willie Nelson and Hurd
    Glass jaw Rosario who got knocked out by Gallimore and Lubin
    A old way past it Trout

    He also lost to Harrison albeit many feel he won too

    The 7lbs lighter Vanes deserved the decision against Jermello IMO and the opinion of many others

    Both Usyk and Taylor DID unify and they did so in 15 and 18 fights respectively

    Usyk beat five world champions, won all his world titles in his opponent's backyards (you think Jermello gets the decision against Castano in Argentina? lol), defended them in his opponent's backyards sans once which was on neutral soil, and unified all of them in his opponent's backyards, has no losses, didn't need a scandalous gift from home judges to help him unify and save him from suffering an L, and none of the world champions he beat lost, let alone got KTFO, to D levels like Gallimore and Nelson

    26-0 Gassiev unified WBA and IBF champ
    23-0 Breidis WBC champ, won the IBF afterwards and was stripped of the WBO too
    26-0 Glowacki WBO champ
    30-2-1 Bellew former WBC champ which he never lost in the ring
    40-4-1 Huck former long reigning WBO champ
    12-0 Hunter
    17-2 Mchunu
    32-9 Chisora

    Taylor has beaten five world champions, did unify, and unified two of them in his opponent's backyard

    26-0 JCR unified WBA and WBO champ
    24-0 Prograis WBA champ (quite a few score it for Prograis)
    29-1 Postol former WBC champ
    19-0 Baranchyk IBF champ
    39-5 Vazquez former long reigning IBF champ at 135, had only lost once legitimately in nine years
    22-0 Martin
    16-0 Khongsong
    15-0 Davies

    Inoue, Loma and Estrada need no explanation, not that Usyk and Taylor do either


    And ranking herself, Stevenson, and Twink in there is comical beyond words. No point breaking those down because it's way too easy to do so
     
  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado banned Full Member

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    Good list, but she should replace Tyson Fury with Deontay Wilder, and replace Canelo Alvarez with Jermall Charlo. ;)
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Shields keeps acting like women's boxing is as deep as men's boxing and that female boxers should receive the same recognition, plaudits and purses as their male counterparts. I'm not knocking them but it's just a fact that as of now the talent pool is extremely shallow and that women's boxing is nowhere near as popular as men's boxing. That can change with time but that's just how it is now

    These are the three divisions Shields has campaigned and won world titles in

    168
    160
    154

    Registered female pros at 168 = 16
    Registered female pros at 160 = 31
    Registered female pros at 154 = 36

    The 9th and 10th ranked female pros at 168 are 9-10 and 7-22 respectively
    The 6th ranked 160 pounder is 4-14
    The 11th ranked female 154 pounder is 1-13
     
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  4. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The sooner people realize that Shields is attempting to play the fame game by being a troll and not a fighter, the better.
     
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  5. Komaster

    Komaster Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. More boxers = more competition = greater quality. Clarissa might be a journeyman level - we simply don't have the data!
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personally I think it's a great list, if we're talking about the worst P4P top 10 lists of all time.

    You wonder what kind of delusional bubble she must be living in to think any woman deserves to be in the top 50 P4P let alone top 10, the depth in the woman's game is shocking. I mean a 1 fight novice in Stefi Cohen is about to have her 2nd fight tonight and already talking about becoming a world champion in the near future. When the depth is so bad an athlete can come over from another sport and seriously think they can be world champ after 1 fight, you know the depth is lacking.

    I think Shakur Stevenson is the real deal but he doesn't belong there yet, he's not even won a legit world title yet and he's apparently top 10, lol.

    As for Charlo, not even the best in his division after he needed to be protected by the judges.

    The glaring omissions of Inoue, Usyk and Loma is laughable they didn't even get an honourable mention.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    She doesn`t know anything about boxing like Fury, he`s just a casual, heard him commentate once and he was worse than I would have been.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder was awful v Fury, he`s nowhere near the top 10 P4P list.
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the worst list i have ever seen in my life

    This content is protected


    She needs to be abused for this
     
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  10. N17

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    :risas3: "Thick as mince"


    Why haven't I heard that phrase before.. superb and will now be used by me often :lol:
     
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  11. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    An idiot, mate.
     
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  12. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Deus Vult Full Member

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    The Uruk-Hai's list is garbage.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a worse list than ones that casuals come up with lol
     
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  14. N17

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    Is she earning that "AJ money" she claimed she's entitled to yet?
     
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  15. Skyver

    Skyver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ohm don't waste your time Sergio you dealing with brain damaged ignoramus.
     
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