CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Damage Could be miniscule but proberbly not. I think damage and force are seperate issues.

Force has to go somewhere, so I understand why it's possible force on impact could in theory be miniscule.

Amateur boxing did away with headguards for seniors but upped the glove size from 10oz to 12oz. Unusual if the damage between 10oz and 12oz was only negligible.


There's nothing ridiculous about fighters themselves knowing the difference. Or of their wanting to use smaller rather than bigger gloves to fight with.

 

I say this every two months but I love it when McGrain gets a bee in his bonnet and destroys an argument.

Last time it was the Holmes v Spinks guy, now it's Choklab.

Top stuff mate.

P.S. never attack my h2h rankings please.

 

Totally agree.

If we're gonna argue who was a "better" BW fighter between McGovern or Ortiz, who is to say who's right?

 

McGrain formulates very informed and persuasive arguments. Choklab always seems to get his goat.
Mac's sangfroid appears to melt whenever he engages with old Chok
Maybe he is the equivalent of Mendoza to me? Not that Choklab is not a much better poster than Mendozy because he clearly is.

ps How many posts have we had about the size and effect of various sized gloves? This on a thread about Wlad v Fury?

I put a thread up asking does Wlad deserve a rematch?
It was moved within minutes:think

 

but what about targeting? How will they ever measure what size glove can best pinpoint dangerous targets like the temple or heart?

and when measuring force its proberbly difficult to replicate the exact same right hand punch without using a machine.

If you have any advice as to how I can go about finding the full Nevada study I will certainly look into it. So far I have produced as detailed an experiment I could find but I am still looking. I just found this from an AP press report from the Nevada commission.

"Fighters 135 pounds and heavier will be required to use 10-ounce gloves. Previously, fighters 147 pounds and below could use eight-ounce gloves, which provide less padding and theoretically allow a boxer to punch harder."

yes but something like the IBBA that makes decisions for something like this at international level there might be a study first to back this up?

Is that official reason or just your opinion? Is it something "made up in your head"? :good

Hey, there is nothing wrong with having an opinion.

Have you got a graph or a YouTube clip that shows the reason why boxers preferred smaller gloves was because they like to parry rather than being able hone in on smaller targets and end fights quicker?

 

this is a interesting debate about glove sizes I must say :good

plus they are not really insulting each other very much, lol

nice to read a debate that sticks to its points for the most part

 

You may have a case if the punches had any mustard on them , but they didn't. Ive seen hurtful , illegal rabbit shots. They were nothing of the sort.
He was sending Wlad a message.

You're not going to shut me down in here. This is my space

He let Wlad know he was going to be hit if he tried his illegal clinching routine. Fury studied Wlad for years. He knew what he was getting.

The rabbit punches were nothing but taps. To tell Wlad his usual safe zone was off limits in this fight. Fury also tapped Wlads bum every time he turned away.
Fury beat Wlad in every way it is possible to beat a man apart from KO.

Barely 15% contact he made in the clinch was to the back of the head. The other 85% was made to Wlads body , which nobody has done in 10 years.

Pulev landed more punches to the back of Wlads head in 5 rounds than Fury done in 12. Because Wlad was all over him like a squid and he had nowhere else to punch.
Wlad is instigating the illegal foul play , he has to deal with the consequences , but gets away with it because he has a house ref who has been protecting him for 10 years.

The ref couldn't help Wlad or allow him maul Fury all over the ring. He got out muscled and out punched and in return resorted to the worst case of deliberate head butt seen in years.

 

good post dino :good

 

yes I liked that, just because I didn't quote it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. :good

You did not quote this from a Nevada rule change that I posted.

"Fighters 135 pounds and heavier will be required to use 10-ounce gloves. Previously, fighters 147 pounds and below could use eight-ounce gloves, which provide less padding and theoretically allow a boxer to punch harder."

On that subject I found this quote from Freddie Roach regarding Mayweather hand made Grant gloves.

"I just asked the Commission if both gloves will be weighed," said Roach. "Their gloves [from manufacturers Grant] are handmade. I just want to make sure the weight is fair, but his gloves haven't showed up yet.”

If there is no difference between bigger and smaller gloves why would Roach worry?

Can I be lighthearted for one moment, I cannot resist this one, Why if there is no difference between gloves is it that Rocky tore his gloves off to fight the much bigger Thunderlips in Rocky III?

 

I still completely disagree with this attempt to justify Fury's blatant intentional fouls (and they weren't all "taps" either) but I can at least agree that it's much, much more reasonable and less factually incorrect than your and Mcvey's repeated earlier comments alleging that Wlad was only getting rabbit punched because he was turning into the punches.