CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

And yet older gloves with horse hair filling could be manipulated away from the knuckle part of a glove. So that part of the glove on the knuckle could be empty of padding and a fighter was practically making contact with just the wraps.

What we need is a test showing the possibility that a smaller sized glove can register a more centred blow on smaller targets like the temple and heart. Surly a smaller glove might shed light on the possibility of landing cleaner blows more often.

Naturally I don't have this evidence in any form acceptable to you other than many a fighter will tell you what hurt more, what was more effective etc. And it's not the newer gloves.

 

OK guys.

Let’s say you were doing a PhD thesis, which required you to assess the effects of glove size based on existing research, before you could conduct your own.

You would be expected to cite all of the studies relevant to the question, whether you agreed with their conclusions or not.

If you only cited the studies that backed up your own position, you would get absolutely roasted for it.

You would then have to look at the methodology of the various studies, and asses which best addressed the question that you were tackling.

You would almost certainly use the hypothesis that the glove size made minimal difference, as your starting point, and try to falsify this.

 

But it would just be measuring pounds of force not how accurate a size might be at scoring clean hits.

 

Is it possible that the smaller gloves produced other factors, such as being more prone to causing cuts?

Absolutely.

The current state of knowledge however, is that they make minimal difference in terms of kinetic force, and the rest is unknown at this time.

I would not draw any huge inferences, beyond saying that a knockout artist with 4oz gloves, would probably still be a knockout artist with the modern gloves.

 

if this is because the smaller glove centres on smaller targets then they could theoretically pick out other pinpoint targets just a clean like the temple, the point of the chin, the heart, floating rib, kidney?

That's one study. What about the other one that said 4oz MMA gloves caused four to five times more "peak force" of a 14oz boxing glove?

I agree they're still knockout punchers but what do we do if it could be determined that another size of glove increases accuracy and cleaner connection? A greater ratio of quality..

 

Just wondering out loud here, but how relevant is force to this argument.

Wouldnt a steel or wooden glove measure close to the same force as a padded glove, but do 10 times the damage?

Also, how do the modern gloves affect the lines of power that Dempsey talks about? It might be reasonable to think it could do so quite substantially. Some of the bareknuckle guys reaily struggled witht the pillows (paddy slavin is one who comes tomind). Could it be that this is because of the lines of power changing.

 

Exactly. This is an excellent point worth noting.:good
Nobody is measuring ring craft in all of this.

 

Turning away from the punches. As in turning his back away from the opponent who he is meant to be boxing.
Its clear you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

Either you never bothered to watch the rabbit punches that I flagged for you or you've been completely overwhelmed by your emotions toward Klitschko. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see how any credible, knowledgable, rational fan of the sport could excuse or justify those rabbit punches. Surreal.

 

I only see a biased sicko talk about fouling and completely ignore / give pass for Wlads worse foul play. Take a good look at this son , then delete your account.

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I never gave Wlad a pass for anything. Only fanboys/haters like you who have emotional relationships with fighters do stuff like that. Can't tell whether you're just spouting out nonsense because of your emotions toward Wlad or because you're intellectually challenged in general.

You and other posters here made the erroneous claims that Wlad was to blame for all of his rabbit punches because he turned into them and that Tyson should not have been penalized for them. You seemed to back away from that and offered a different excuse when I showed you four instances of blatant rabbit punches committed by Fury. But since then, you've just been typing out irrational gibberish. :nut

 

To add my 2c...*

My friend commented that Fury just looked like the bloke down the pub who threw his shirt off to have a fight. I can't say I disagree.

The fight itself was poor. Wlad's timing is shot to hell. I do think that Fury's size and reach played a part in making Wlad look bad, but it's plain to see that Wlad's timing is nothing like it has been.

I can't say I was impressed with Tyson Fury, but this was his first title fight and against a dominant champion, so I have to give him some leeway there. He undoubtedly did enough to win, though I was upset that he had a point deducted...thankfully it didn't change the verdict.
Still, it was a fight with remarkably little quality action. Wlad couldn't/wouldn't fire and Fury huffed and puffed but didn't do too much himself.
I commented to that same friend that Wlad was there for the taking (I think this was in the 7th round) but Fury seemed content to not take any chances, happy to do just enough.

I thought Wlad could have tried to do more to save his title. He must have known he was either behind or that it was very close in any case.
Is it a case of couldn't or wouldn't for Wlad?

Wlad was never a risk-taker and even when things were looking decidedly dodgy for him, he just didn't take any real chances. In the 12th he finally showed some urgency but Wlad was always the front-runner who struggled to cope once the other guy got on top.
So no change there...

So thus ends a era.
We will have to see how Wlad is remembered. To give him his due, he has been a remarkably consistent performer and a dominant champion, one who showed class in and out the ring and one who was a good ambassador for the sport.
Will he ever regain the title? Maybe. Even so, he looked very beatable and I think should he carry on it won't be long before he loses again. It is now up to history and time to see how he is remembered.
Personally, I am not sorry to see him go. Dominant though he was, he was just not an exciting fighter to watch and I honestly hated that jab & grab style of his.

But enough of Wlad. What of Fury? He's probably as good a singer as he is a fighter. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you.
I like the guy. He won't dominate, but he brings a sense of fun to proceeedings and he can fight a bit. He might be just what the doctor ordered after the rather dour reign of the Klitschko brothers.

I think the heavyweight division is fairly open. Nobody seems to have a definite edge now that time has caught up with Wlad. I think it might be good for the division if for a while at least, nobody dominates. We have some good fighters out there and anything can happen.
Let the fun and games begin....

* I have been offline for ages and sadly can only post sporadically for the foreseeable future. I just had to comment on this fight...

 

I don't expect this to be here long but wanted the Forum's input.
I see a certain Treble initialled gentleman taking out "The Special One" early, anyone expecting an upset?