CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Very detailed and observant post. I agree on most points. His will to win is exceptional. And that has to be factored. Why I said that I would no longer make him the favorite is his foot speed it is declining and while he throws the correct punches to land if he gets inside I do see it becoming an issue as he has gotten older. Wilder has terrible footwork but he is relatively fast at leaning back and moving his feet in reverse. Price was a statue. And unless Povetkin can get inside and detonate on Wilder’s chin early I think he is going to begin to fade by round 5. I’m no fan of Wilder I think he is a coddled heavily marketed hype job with awful boxing skills. But he knows how to play keep away. He did it against Ortiz. His handlers got him down to optimal weight and he uses his length til the older man tires. It’s a cat and mouse game. At this point I think the match is a toss up. Where as 2-3 years ago i’m 100 percent certain Povetkin took him out in 3 rounds or less.
And you are correct wilder wanted no part of Povetkin.

 

Depends on style and strengths.
I’d say about 90% the time you want the longer reach.

Personally, when I was training I’d yearn for shortage reach due to my particular punching mechanics.

 

You guys think Mike Tyson would be better off with an 80 inch reach?

 

FWIW, in the Quintana I fight PTP's long arms became more of a liability than anything. But 99% of times having a reach advantage is just that...advantageous.

 

Haven’t seen it since it aired but I thought the problem was that Williams kept giving up his length and getting countered to death. A shorter armed version of Williams would have been susceptible to the same fight plan, I think.

 

How did Povetkin do with 6'6" Wlad?
Povetkin was wary of Price's power, he would be doubly so in there with Wilder. Price isn't known for his left hand power yet he had Povetkin badly stunned and he would have gone down but for the ropes.
Povetkin will be a comfortable mandatory for Joshua,but would be more competitive with Whyte,who on the evidence of that fight beats him.

 

Do you think Parker would have liked a longer reach Saturday night?

 

He signed to fight him in Russia,whose fault was it the fight did not happen?

 

When you have a ref who doesn't allow infighting? Yeah, I want Dalsim arms.

 

The ref was crap wasn't he?
Parker has a decent jab but was just outranged.

 

Outranged
Outpowered

Crazy how imposing a man Parkers size found AJ.
AJ is not just a big SHW. He's a big powerful, strong SHW.
Like from a P4P perspective the man is strong as an Ox.

But he is a bit too stiff for Wilder imo.
Wilder is dynamic, rangey, mobile, unorthodox.

What a legendary, all time historic incredible matchup that will be.
One of the greatest matchups ever.

 

He also flew home from England where he was training, and never stepped foot in Russia for that fight. Wilder and his team forced the cancellation of that fight, before the wbc could make a ruling. Povetkin never received due process on his positive test.
I have a lot of issues with that whole meldonium saga, if you want to keep it black and white and say Povetkin had trace amounts and therefore the bout being called off is totally on him, you can, but I think it’s an over simplification of what transpired.
Why was the drug banned? There is no credible evidence that it gives a competitive advantage to athletes that use it. It was widely known to be in use all across Russia and Eastern Europe. (A perfect drug to ban if you want to rid a large group of athletes from a specific region during lead up to an Olympics)
The testing agencies - admitted they had not done enough testing to accurately determine how long the drug takes to clear your system. Nor did they do enough research on how the drug could go undetected in one test and then show up in a later test - it was later shown that increased stimulus by an athlete could cause a positive where previous traces may have gone unnoticed.

In the end I think the wbc handled the situation terribly - and basically got steamrolled by Wilder’s team in calling off the bout.

Canelo just popped for clenubuterol and yet the fight still hasn’t been cancelled (ultimately I believe it will) but the wbc is going through proper procedure, allegedly, they are crooks and I trust nothing that they do, to determine an outcome. For some reason however they seem to support Canelo and his tainted meat excuse (reason) for the positive far more than what was given Povetkin. But then they had to because Wilder’s team forced their hand by flying home within hours of the test coming out. Which in the end of the investigation was determined that Povetkin had “allowable” levels of meldonium in his system. But Wilder’s team had already moved on and scheduled a fight the wbc allowed against Arreola a fighter that was 1-5 in his last six bouts rather than Povetkin being allowed to have the bout rescheduled.

Then Wilder’s team went on a well publicized propaganda tour that their fighter would never fight anyone who tests positive for a steroid but two years later when convenient fight Ortiz who twice popped for an anabolic steroid
(Far worse and far more proven) and blood pressure medication a known concealment agent of anabolic steroids.

Povetkin is no angel and he probably has used but he got rooked and 3 years later is still waiting for his title shot while pushing 40 years of age while Wilder until Ortiz has kept the title hostage fighting stiffs.

One guy has consistently fought quality opposition.

The man holding the belt has not.

 

If Wilder lands flush anyone is going down.
Wilder's team are clowns he was offered the opportunity to come to the fight and beat the drum for the AJ fight,instead he stayed home and missed a real chance to hype things up.
Prior to that fight AJ is said to have £30,000,000 in the bank,I bet Wilder doesn't have more than a tenth of that.Hearn offered Wilder twice the best purse he has gotten so far to fight Whyte ,no reply.
At no time have Wilder's team initiated any dialogue regarding a Wilder v AJ fight.
I wouldn't be surprised if AJ fights in the US in June or July,maybe Miller? Meanwhile Wilder is talking about defending against Breazeale who didn't win a round against AJ prior to being bombed out.

 

Wilder had fought one class man and went life and death with him no argument there. That does not alter the fact that he accepted the fight against Povetkin,and went into training to fight him,no way could he know Povetkin would test positive.

 

Wilder didn't go because Hearn was trying to turn it into a Wilder-Whyte hype up.
Whyte would've ran in the ring all crazy in front of his home fans...
Theatrics aren't necessary with the belt situation like this.
I'm surprised AJ isn't putting his foot on the gas for this fight.
He seems passively excited to fight Wilder.
He's 28. He already fought and beat Klitschko and some good opposition after that.
Let's go. Go get your belt.

Wilder has the WBC belt.
AJ has the rest.

There is no excuse for why the belt holders shouldn't fight each other next.
Unless I'm missing something..