CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Mike Tyson would have been better off with long arms. That seems obvious. Clearly his style would be different.

I doubt Cus D'Amato would have looked at a 14, 15 year old freakylongarmed Tyson and said "Look kid, you are fast and strong and vicious and dedicated, but this just ain't working out .... I'll be honest, kid, it's the long arms, I just don't see what we can do with them."

 

I'm chillin. Takes nothing to call you a moron.

Holy hell you really are an idiot.
Comprehend my answer, that I've stated THREE TIMES.
Start there. Show me you are capable of doing just that.
And I will continue this conversation. Anything besides that and you're asking too much.

 

Forget about conquering America and all that.

Wilder has the last belt.
I can't believe fans of the sport would entertain reasons for this fight not going down. We should all be expecting it.

Buying into the AJ market leverage stuff... Yeah but so what.
Not only is this the championship fight, it's also THE money fight right now.
There is no weight class above and below to pretend to be shopping for opponents with.
There is only one direction: Wilder.

AJ is 28. He's not a baby any more.
When you go for the belts, you don't stop 3/4ths the way there, and go "Woop let's see what else is out there." No, he's in the bomb run.

He committed to being a belt holder.

 

Or if the fight is naturally imposed that way due to stylistic clashes.
Which I mentioned in one of the three various wordings of my same answer you pretended to not understand. From which you pick and chose from just now disingenuously like a weak pig who wants to name call contributors in his own forum. (Its his forum when he decides to ban you. It's OUR forum when he **** posts though. Have fun walking that tight rope guys.)

Typically (like I said)...except in the scenarios I described (of course).
Which you've ignored (obviously).

Lol, dude, shut up.

 

At 5’10” If Tyson had longer arms than Lennox Lewis he would not need rope to skip. he could use his arms!

5’10” with 84 inch reach? Would he be able to stand upright? That’s mr Tickle.

He’s going to box on the outside as the shorter man? How will that work?

 

I think it depends on the footwork and footspeed.

If the smaller opponent has far better footwork and footspeed so he can close pretty much at will, then the short arms will mean once he is in his range he'll have a bigger advantage, since he can get into a better range for him to punch and a worse range for his opponent.

But if the larger opponent has the better footwork and footspeed the smaller arms are just going to make it harder to land anything.

That said I don't think Joshua's footwork is very good.

Also with all things being equal, but they never are. If Mike Tyson had longer arms, he likely would not have the same speed, and which of his punches were the best by changing his levers.

As for Mike Tyson with longer arms, well, you fight for attributes you have to maximise your strengths and minimise your weaknesses. Rangy Mike Tyson would not fight the same way as real Mike Tyson.

 

Take a breath Rez.

 

This is a very tricky hypothetical and it depends on how you view Tyson relative to other, bigger ATGs. Tyson presumably wouldn’t have been molded into as much of a swarmer if he’d have longer arms, and he probably would have developed great jab-oriented attacks and outside footwork. Really hard to say how much better such a fighter would have been.

 

Tbh McGrain, i think you have shown patience beyond the call of duty, not just in this case either.
I certainly don't envy your position as a moderator.
It can't be easy at times.

 

I think it's not reasonably disputale that Tyson would be far better off with longer arms (as would almost every boxer ever).
That's not to say I think he'd be a much better fighter in peak performance mode.

But reach gives a boxer more options, allows them to be more adaptable, and assists longevity.

It would be pointless to speculate what style a Tyson with long arms would have developed but it is pretty certain it would have been a style tha allow him to land puches on opponents at further distance, and allow him to expend far less energy getting into range while avoiding blows. He may well have been less spactacular as a result. But as an intelligent well-trained, determined boxer, and assuming similar levels of speed, power and durabiliy (which, imo, long arms don't seem to inhibit) it would give him the potential to win fights in a different gear and also develop more dimensions to the style.

Boxing is a scientfic thing to a large extent, and some of its details may be conerintuitive to the layman ... but it isn't so esoteric as some on this forum would make out.
Long arms are simply better in a sport based around punching each other than are short arms.

I don't think Tyson was great because of his style. I think he developed the style out of being great.
He may the best of what he had. And if he'd had a few extra inches of reaches i's reasonable to say he (under D'amato's guidance) would have made those few extra inches of reach the advantage they are supposed to be.

That's my take elaborated, anyway.