CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury remains an enigma to me. I'd neither have predicted his approach to the fight nor bet on the manner of victory, tonight - but, he comes out and does a number on an alleged Behemoth.

    I rather like surprises (when there's no money down). ;)
     
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  2. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There really has never being anything like Tyson Fury in the division, and I say that shaking my head. He's starting to make Muhammad Ali look bland lol.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    I think I understand Fury. He has two personalities. Like top comedian might.

    He battles mental demons and personal troubles. Fury is a showman. The great comedians, the best ones seem to have lots of problems. Then they let it all out the night they perform. But in the end most of them will be self destructive.

    Fury should be active. I don’t think he’ll age well. His star is shinning brightly now. Impressive but to those who strongly suspect Wilder was a well managed belt milker, you wonder how this didn’t happen earlier. Great management I think is the reason.

    I guess Wilder’s opponents either weren’t good enough or didn’t believe. Fury was both.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bummed out that Fury won, but I have to give him absolute credit. He was the better man. But he's a real weirdo in my book, and I have a hard time liking his personality.

    At this point he's the best heavy in the world. Sigh. What happened, Deontay?
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Fury would win, but not in this manner. Fantastic performance.

    I don't feel Wilder has been exposed. His shortcomings have been there to see all along, it's just that he has a punch that makes it impossible to ever rule him out. I wouldn't be chocked if he lands it in the rubber and wins. It's unlikely, but I wouldn't rule it out.

    Ever since he first went off the rails I've always feared Fury would do it again, but it seems he has found some balance. Let's hope so, because it would be so tragic if he fizzles out and squanders his obviously huge potential. At the very least I want to see a fully fit and focussed Fury against AJ. I think that would be a brilliant fight.
     
  6. Cecil

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    As long as he avoided the bomb there was never any doubt who would win the fight.
    Basically both physically and mentally one man knows how to fight and one doesn’t.
    A man against a boy.
     
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  7. dinovelvet

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    Fury stepping in behind the jab was like something you see from Bowe or Sonny Liston. It was a big reason why Wilder couldn't fire anything back. Fury made the ring very small for Wilder with the jab and pressure. Amazing how Fury was able to keep that constant pace without tiring or making any mistakes. I don't think Wilder was ever in the fight from he moment the bell rang and Fury ran out of his corner!!
     
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  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed - it's not as though people haven't been pointing out Wilder's flaws for some time now. It's just that Fury is better by some margin; has demonstrated this twice now and, on this second occasion, made sure the judges couldn't mistake his superiority for a Wilder Win (or Draw).

    But Wilder remains capable of delivering KO's, if he can connect; only that it's now twice that Fury has prevented Wilder from doing so.
     
  9. Bokaj

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    Yeah, Fury will be a massive favourite if there's a rubber. Wilder does have that punch, but his confidence must also be badly dented. He was beaten, outclassed really, at his own game and he has no other game. The only thing that stands between him and another bad beatdown (and even a brave guy like Wilder can't fancy the thought of another one like that) is that hail Mary. That should weigh on anyone.

    AJ and Fury now is the fight for me in the HW division. It would be an absolute tragedy if that doesn't happen. Even after last night I have AJ as a slight favourite in that one.
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    I think Wilder had his moments in the first two rounds. He arguably won the second. But Fury soon established that jab, as you say, and for a guy that can only pull his head back from the jab, that was the beginning of the end.

    The way Fury fought Wilder is the way I've previously said would the best way for AJ to do it. But seeing how Fury have the ability to peck away at Wilder from the outside, I didn't think he would choose that option. I'm glad that he did. He would have won anyway, but this way was more spectacular and exciting than a points win.
     
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  11. Bummy Davis

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    Fury is an intelligent guy with an overactive mind- depression is from the difference of mind vs emotion on the Fury life ride ( mountains to valleys) and Fury has an upbringing that is unusually violent - right now he is at the top and it get lonely when you catch your dream but your right he needs to stay active and a few more fights and get out

    As far as Wilder, he still has that dangerous power but the book on beating him may be out (still not an easy task) and like most punchers who ride on power - nobody focuses on their weakness until its exposed.

    Wilder can come back -his power is top tier and he has lost only to top tier - Styles make fights and getting back for Wilder is to defeat his doubts especially after this last lost. Wilder needs to go back to the basics (he abandoned his jab) but at 34 yrs old not an easy task.

    Fury now has beaten Vlad and Wilder 2X in reality but also showed he is a thinking man, like I said earlier he may be crazy but hes far from stupid- Fury put together a team to get in where his vision pictured his victory and adapted his style to victory- something even Ali had trouble with vs Norton and Frazier.

    Styles make fights and not sure how a Joshua fight would go - although I favor Tyson and his spirit right now- another thing Fury was very classy with his remarks post fight and like Ali - Crazy as a Fox.

    Fury is a tough man with a kind heart, Wilder had no quit in him but appeared confused and shaken and hurt throughout, Fury fought dominantly
     
  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes - Fury/Joshua is the fight that needs to happen. Fury/Wilder III seems superfluous to requirements (although, the money might make it too hard to resist).

    The jury is still out for me on how a fight between Fury and AJ goes. I think Fury is the better boxer, but there is the matter of their respective styles to factor in. So, I'll need to ponder on that potential bout for a while, before making a forecast.
     
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  13. ThePlugInBabies

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    the fact that it is the same guy i watched last night that i also watched live in brentwood, 11 years ago going life and death with big john mcdermott hurts my brain
     
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  14. The Long Count

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    Hats off to Fury for a tremendous performance. Wilder was finally exposed and it was long overdue. He was beaten physically and mentally by a much better opponent.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Fury vs. Joshua needs to happen.