CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

I don't think Wlad necessarily has ANY "good fights left in him". I don't know. If he's past it, he's past it.

The thing is, the opposition around on the immediate horizon probably doesn't need him to fight a good fight.

I mean, Wilder ? I think it's no exaggeration to say he's still little more than a complete novice, despite 35 fights and a WBC belt. He looks like a raw prospect, even against Stiverne.
Anyone who's been watching boxing a few years could probably help that kid to box. He's got loads of learning to do.

 

Wilder has a left jab and a great right cross ,but he needs to learn to hook off the jab and shorten his punches in general
.He has a punchers chance against an old Wlad. The US posters are saying Jennings is their best guy ,if that is true Wlad could stay champ for quite a while longer even if operating at only75% of his former abilities.Jennings showed me nothing but heart, fitness, and a chin.

 

bingo

 

Wilder wont outjab wlad, no way. I expect him to be right hand happy, when they fight.

 

Let us hope we get a chance to find out.:think

 

Wilder does almost everything better than Jennings.

He knows how to throw straight shots that maximize his reach. His foot work is coordinated and fluid. His jab is snappy and on point.

I didn't see any jab from Jennings who has a longer reach than both Wlad and Wilder and when he cut the distance , he had no inside game to make the journey worthwhile.

Bruce Seldon was better than Jennings and thats no joke.
Im nothing hating on Jennings , ive said he was below average before he signed up to face Wlad.

 

I agree. I think Wilder needs alot more polish to beat a Wlad or even a Povetkin or Perez, and this is from one of the few people who didn't believe the glass chin accusations and picked him against Stiverne.

Jennings is obviously the better schooled fighter, I suspect he would frustrate and defeat Wilder at this stage.

 

I'd like to see Chuvalo vs Jennings and it has just as much a chance of happening.

 

IMO Wilder has the best offensive ability, he can box, has size,speed and can punch very hard and has a nice variety of punches, he also brings amateur experience. Insiders have told me Vlad dropped Wilder a few times when they sparred but that does not mean much to me. Vlad is taking a chance fighting Fury because Fury will give it his all and is not lacking in talent or size or will but Wilder has that crazy power and will be a big risk. Vlad has to determine how far he has fallen. I agree with your evaluation with Jennings, he won 2 rounds but when he pressed in the 10th he got hit pretty hard.

The thing with Fury and Wilder is Fury can set a furious pace and wear Vlad down, Wilder has power and ability but can both men take Vlads power. Can you fight a Jennings like fight and win?

At age 40 Vlad has some very dangerous fights in front of him. I would make Fury and Wilder fight and Vlad can decide if he wants to fight the winner

 

If Wlad takes both those fights and wins I will be the first to applaud him. Stiverne landed some good shots on Wilder and he didn't budge I thought Stiverne would win but his tactics were sh*t.
Wilder is pretty mobile for his height and proved to me he can box, both he and Fury are dangerous fights at this stage of Wlads career. A few years ago I think they would both be definite ko victims..But no boxer can beat the old guy with the scythe indefinitely, not even one who has shown such a tremendous devotion to fitness as Wlad.

Getting knocked down in sparring, especially when you are learning the game doesn' t mean much to me. Vitali was dropped in sparring by Travis Walker and Raphael Butler.Liston by Ray Patterson, Marciano by Toxie Hall, it shouldn't make anyone cream their shorts.

 

He is 100% correct. I think Wlad underestimated Jennings a bit, and found himself in a fight where his jab and right hand were not landing as much as he would like, thanks to Jennings high guard defense, reach, heart, and durability. I think Jennings is a top 3-4 heavyweight now, behind only Wlad and Povetkin for sure.

You could say Wlad's usual game wasn't working. So what did he do?

He switched gears and became more of a mobile type of fighter. Wlad's footwork is outstanding for a heavyweight. He moved like a big Jim Corbett. His defense was pretty good as well. When the ref took away a point for clinching, Wlad didn't lock up, he just bulled his man when needed. Wlad can make on the fly adjustments.

Jennings made a rally of sorts in the mid round, but Wlad sensed it, and made sure he won the final rounds. In round 12 with the fight in the bag, Wlad showed us he had plenty left and unloaded more often on Jennings. I though he hurt Jennings a bit in round 12.

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Past their prime fighters just do not have this type of foot speed and stamina. Wlad will look very good vs. Fury or Glazkov. The interesting thing for me is where does Jennings go from here? I often said USA heavies have gone soft and if one emerges it going to be from Philly, NY, or the poorer areas of California.

 

This was a fight between a seasoned experienced champion who decisioned an unproven and relatively untested challenger who showed neither great boxing ability , or great power, a boxer who waited until he was inside before throwing punches instead of throwing them on the way in. It was a respectable win for the champion given his age but a boring, indifferent spectacle to watch as far as I'm concerned.I only watched it because I get Box Nation anyway, I very much doubt HBO or whoever will be chasing Wlad for more defences.

 

I think I know Wlad a bit better than you. You don't need to be a great boxer to beat Wlad or give him trouble. No one is going to out box Wlad.

To give him trouble a fighter needs:

Guts and stamina
Durability
Size / reach
A style where you press forward
Power

Jennings had 4 of the 5. If you look at Wlad's losses Purity had all 4 of 5 ( 31 of his wins had 27 Ko's ), Sanders had 4 1/2 out of 5, and Brewster had 4 1/2 out of 5.

Up next are Wilder, or Fury. I would say they are missing at least 2 of the above ingredients needed to give Wlad trouble

 

You think you know a lot of things, recent history has proven you are mistaken.
Jennings has average power, and average boxing skill.

I would have been amazed if he had done any better than he did. You don't need to beat anyone of any note nowadays, all you need is a nice few scalps of ham and eggers on your belt. Jennings best win is over another untested boxer in Perez ,[a boxer who was winning their fight until he gassed,] he didn't have a clue how to punch on the way in , relying on his rabbit ears defence to stop incoming

Amass a string of wins over old men and journeymen ,preferably an unbeaten one, get your shot, be exposed then sink into relative obscurity ala Charr,Leapai,Sosnowski,Solis,Pianeta.
I don't give a good f*ck where these men are rated, they are oafs whose skill levels are very basic.

You know more than I about Wlad ? Well you made a thread in the General stating unequivocably that he is not past prime.
I wonder how many here would agree with you?

 

Good news,

Klitschko/Jennings was a ratings sensation. Peaked at 1.7 million viewers. Most viewed cable fight in 3 years.

I guess we'll be seeing more prime time Wlad in the states.