CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

They won't while their wearing gloves too big for a smaller guy to make such an instant impression with, or while smaller guys bulk up and develop within a division where the pace and rules suits bigger guys.

Smaller traditional sized guys are handicapped out of their own division. It's the superheavyweight that is new. Give him a new division.

 

Why are you trying to "protect" the 215 pounders ?
Why not protect the Dempsey/Tunney-sized 190 pounders, and call them the "traditional heavyweights" ?
Of course, the fact that Dempsey fought and beat Willard can be ignored.

 

I don't know how to class it. For me it would be a rather large heavyweight who is both height and weight proportionate and in somewhat decent shape.. So in other words a 6'3", 250 lbs guy who didn't look like he trained a day for a fight wouldn't cut it.. But someone like Vitali Klitscko who was nearly 6'8", 250 lbs and always in top form would probably be closer to my idea.

 

David Price then ?

 

Because boxing has always made adjustments where necessary and for the sake of both making things safer for fighters as well as a bit more fair. Boxing traditionally had 8 weight classes... Now it has something like 17 or more. It used smaller gloves at one point or even no gloves at all.. Title fights use to have unlimited rounds.. Then it went to 15... Now 12... I don't think creating ONE more weight class for men of freakish size is any major change that will cripple the sport. In fact it might even allow some very talented mid sized heavy's to flourish.

 

Yes, Price would make that cut.

 

That's why they should only be fighting each other. Let the giants fight giants and boxers fight boxers. Bigger guys used to be handicapped fighting smaller guys, that is no longer the case.

 

Because they'd be protected by the David Prices of this world.

Indeed he would.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and pick Larry Holmes to batter him.

 

Agreed. We've had plenty of Frazier and Louis-sized cruiserweights.

 

They better hope that EVERY super heavy is a David Price then.

I can also name welters who can beat up certain super middle weights, but regardless we obviously have divisions for a reason.

 

Superheavyweight would not be an extra division. It's what we have now.

Change the name of cruiser to "heavyweight" and take it to 210-215.

Boxing won't need another division just better clarification.

Fans who want to watch heavyweights can watch heavyweights and some people might even want to watch the big guys....

 

It would certainly force the ones who want to fight at heavy to stay in better shape and allow the more talented 200 lbs men to flourish. I think we can even stretch the limit to 225 or 230, but beyond that is a totally different class.

 

Yes, but I asked you what a super-heavy is, and you're saying it's a large guy of Vitali/Price size or close to.
But now I think you're only impressed by a very small few of those men.
I'm not sure there are many of these super-heavies around to justify a division.

Joshua and Wilder might even turn out to be about as good as David Price. Wlad is old, and may well retire.
A super-heavyweight division would disqualify the likes of Povetkin and Glazkov, and a David Haye comeback.
A current super-heavyweight division might soon descend into Fury defending against Marius Wach three times a year.

 

The entire appeal of the heavyweight division, traditionally, is precisely that we are observing the fighters who can beat ALL the other fighters.
The heavyweight world title IS THE WORLD TITLE of the whole sport, the champion is the champion of champions.
(Forget that nonsensical imaginary p4p stuff that the media invent.)

 

Perhaps but I also think its transparently obvious that you're selectively picking out the "weakest" of the bunch and matching them against the "greatest" of historical heavys of long past.

Well let's see if we can get a sample by looking at the division's top 10 right now.

Tyson Fury - 6'9", 247 lbs
Wladimir Klitschko - 6'6", 245 lbs
Alexander Povetikin - 6'2", 230 lbs
Deontay Wilder - 6'7", 230 lbs
Kubrat Pulev - 6'5", 245 lbs

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- 6'3", 223 lbs
Malik Scott - 6'4", 235 lbs
Erkan Teper - 6'5", 250 lbs
Joseph Parker - 6'4", 235 lbs

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- 6'2", 217 lbs

I've high lighted two fighters on that list who somewhat fit the resemblance of traditional heavys and neither of them should be top 10. Tarver has beaten nobody at heavyweight and Glaskov was gifted in pretty much all of his best wins.

They've already surpassed him in their abilities as pros in my opinion.

Probably yes. But the division isn't going to start getting "smaller" after the passing of Wlad.

Glazkov and Povetkin might actually flourish in a division designated for men who are 200-225. What did Haye do in his first career at heavy to impress you?

But at least he won't be ruining the likes of more talented p4p fighters.