CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

So a man in the current top 10 has two if his best victories being against forme CW champions in fights you don't believe he should have won?

Yes this really is the era of the SHW

 

That guy was a stupid racists who believed that there was a giant wheel in the sky filled with black pilots ready to bomb their enemies.

 

Yes and I already said that he doesn't belong there.

 

You might say it, unfortunately for you the TBRB, ESPN, Ring and probably anyone else I check disagrees with you.

A man who is consensus top ten for everyone bar Magoo has twice been gifted victory against a former CW champion.

A man who is the current champion of the world s****ped by former CW champion.

The biggest title holder in history was out pointed by a previous CW champion.

Bowe and Lewis, considered by most the pinnacle of SHW fighters, both had enormous struggles with a previous CW champion.

If a man who was a traditional sized HW is good enough, he can still be a successful HW, history and current events prove that.

 

not true, bowe demolished holyfield in 92 outside and inside, and arguably beat him the second fight for which he almost didn't train, unlike lewis who run like a bitc.h from a past prime holyfield

 

Look up some threads on the topic. There are many who cried in outrage over Glaskov getting some of those decisions and ranked or not, he's hardly anybody who's being thrown around as a world beater.

No. He was gifted a draw against Malik Scott ( a natural heavy ) and a decision against Cunningham. That's one cruiser. The Adamek win might have been legit, but Adamek was old.

Who Fury? He was decked by Cunningham. Got up abruptly and beat the living shlt out of him to a seventh round stoppage.. That's hardly what I'd call s****ing by.

Who?

Yes, the greatest cruiserweight of all time and also an all time great heavyweight who went 1-3-1 against the two men in question and did so with the aid of PED's.. BTW Lewis didn't struggle with holy. He won both those fights pretty convincingly. The wrong judges were present in the first bout but only a fool believes that fight should have been a draw.

Perhaps.. But this can hardly be based on the arguments you've provided which is primarily a house built of cards..

 

So Lewis ran like a ***** and Bowe arguably beat him. What a way to destroy my argument :good

 

Again he's considered by most to be a consensus top ten today. Make of that what you will.

Yes Fury, did you watch the fight? I will tell you now, Fury has tko victories were the opponent was less hurt than he was that night.

Valuev.

There is no sure fire way to say a former CW or a man weighing 200-220 will again be champ, time will tell us that. I just believe this issue if SHW men being too big that we need a new division is ****. Wlad has a perfect style to bully nearly everyone smaller than him if he is allowed to employ it, but every other SHW fighter in history has come unstuck against a man much smaller. I don't need to make an argument because the past is written and stone and whilst our champions are of inhuman proportions the past shows there is more to consider in the overall debate.

 

I wouldn't exactly call a magazine rating a " consensus".. Glazkov hasn't been mentioned in ANY big ticket fight possibilities.

I did watch the fight and one of the things cunningham said was that Fury was too big. He gave a good account of himself though and respected him for it.. Very entertaining match.. But at the end of the day Fury stopped him legitimately and that's not just " s****ing by."

Which cruiserweight beat him?

Fair enough, but I don't see a man the size of traditional lineal champions every being dominant at heavy again. You might see one of them grab a strap here and there and briefly but that's about it.

 

sure but so much easier to penetrate the defence with a smaller glove. This is factual.

Wether the bigger man likes bigger gloves or not they favour him over the smaller man everytime because the smaller guy generally has a better work rate early on..until he gets tired. We all know a smaller guy will tire out pretty quick giving away a lot of size. But crucially with big gloves He can't cash in with so much precision in the window he has to make an impression. This favours the big guy. With his large shielding gloves he can block combinations behind a wall of leather. shove, lean and smother until the little fellow is tired and at his mercy.

yes Exactly why bigger gloves favour jumbo. The harder puncher can make a good impression with less. He dosnt need a clean punch because he's got more weight on half connection than the lighter guy. The smaller man (or lighter puncher) makes less impression with more punches. He needs a direct hit each time. A Sunday punch every day of the week.

No because ive already demonstrated a big man can grind down a small man without throwing punches. His weight alone. Leaning all over the little guy. It's obvious. Where as without throwing punches the smaller man is just annoying.

Either MMA guys have terrible chins (i don't think this) or horrible anticipation (i don't think this either) because I often see them go over unconscious from shots with no real leverage behind them.

impact is only the half of it. You can thread a smaller missile into a smaller target. Pin point.

unless your using them.

I think you need some more research.

 

My point is if he were around today he would be lopping these Red Woods down.For every talented big man out there you have 5/6 oafs, who have nothing but size to offer.

 

I'm assuming that a lot of the dna from viruses is just clutter, not actual important parts of genome that get translated into proteins that shape a human physically.

 

you somehow forgot that i said that bowe demolished him when he was in shape.

bowe arguably beat him when he literally was not training and not taking him seriously, while evander prepared like never in his life

 

Show me a ranking body without Glazkov in the top ten?

Given the heaviness of the knockdown I think it is.

Haye.

Povetkin fits the bill but may be too old.

 

So basically Bowe arguably beat a CW, Lewis ran like a ***** from a CW. Yes you've shat on my argument.