CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

I'm no saying it's a new thing, I'm saying lack of clinching is in the fans best interest.

Whilst it's legal every boxer should employ every advantage.

 

He'd have stopped Wlad possibly.

But would he far well on the inside against Povetkin?

 

Fury is not going to last long, unless he starts ducking punchers. I for one think that durable fighters that can crack, like Povetkin or Parker, would probably beat him. He looked very vulnerable in his last fight and in general, if Wladimir wasn't so scared due to his own chin he would have gotten him out of there.

 

Irrelevant mate.. When you get schooled by an ancient Steve Cunningham and Malik Scott, you don't belong in no top 10.

Irrelevant mate.. Fury won about 6 of the 7 rounds that fight lasted and hammered him mercilessly to a stoppage.. That by definition isn't just "squeaking" by.

Irrelevant mate.. Valuev was on the ass end of his career and the win wasn't even decisive. BTW, age and being past prime still counts for Super heavy's too.

Now let's talk about what this argument is really about which is traditional sized heavys capturing the lineal title and camping out there for a while... Find me a guy who's 6'2", 215 lbs who can dominate the current crop and remain at the top for a while and I'll concede everything I've argued here..

 

Haven't gotten around to see the fight knockdown aside, but Fury was behind on 2 scorecards at the time of the stoppage...was it really so one-sided?

 

It was a good fight and cunningham kept it close. He decked Fury early in the fight. But Fury was kicking his ass.

 

Well unfortunately you don't decide any rankings other than your own.

Given that many fighters have won fights through circumstances similar to those wen Steve knocked Fury down it is exactly s****ing by.

But still the biggest ever title holder was beaten by a former CW.

Povetkin if Wlad retires has the best chance. After that I'd say Haye.

 

I'm not sure what was wrong with Wlad. It could be age. It could be a personal problem. But this much I know, Fury isn't a good counter puncher and his looping right hands that landed were not enough to floor Wlad.

Why didn't Wlad commit to punches, and what happened to his technique, punch output, and willingness to win?

 

Worth a watch. Much better than his fight with Johnson.

 

He said he couldn't set himself or dictate range. It's probably a mixture of style and age imo.

 

Yeah, I made a thread about that in general. I really don't know what was up in that fight...Wladimir looked so disinterested and there was a gif of him pulling a punch on Fury that was about to land flush without repercussion. Very weird to say the least.

Hope he comes back throwing in the rematch. Even if he gets sparked out, it wouldn't be a big deal. Certainly better than losing in such a ridiculous stinker. Very meek way to end your career, IMO.

 

But it doesn't help your argument that " one of the best heavy's in the world is traditional sized" if he doesn't even f-cking belong there.. It certainly doesn't do anything for a head to head argument if you can't even beat Malik Scott or Steve cunningham strait up.

Many fighters have won fights in all sorts of ways, ie. robbery decision, DQ's, stoppages on cuts caused by head butts, etc, etc.. getting decked momentarily then getting up and finishing it soon after isn't barely s****ing by. If Fury barely won by a close decision or needed a come from behind knockout in a fight he was getting killed in, THEN it would be "s****ing by." See the difference?

Very true. But an iffy decision over a thoroughly past prime fighter in the last bout of his career is hardly evidence which negates that argument that small heavys are disadvantaged against bigger heavys or that you'll likely never see one rulling the division again.. The exception doesn't change the norm.

I'll give you povetkin has a "chance." but at 36 years and with guys like Fury and Wilder standing in front of him along with guys like Parker and Joshua coming up? Not likely to be a successful endeavor. As for Haye, he's done. And I don't see what he ever did at heavy to impress anybody... Oh yeah... Valuev.

 

I said they have "less chance" without smaller gloves. Having more chance of making an impression is not favouring every small guy against every big guy! He is already disadvantaged. As we both know Smaller gloves benefits both.

Potentially a guy landing more shots does more damage than the other guy. If he's smaller he makes less impression anyway so he needs a good ratio of clean connections. smaller guys needs more quality in his work to earn any respect from the bigger guy and its harder to do that when a larger percentage of his landed punches are not as clean as with smaller gloves. Hence being perhaps twice as effective with what he's landing wearing small gloves.

Why are sparring gloves 16oz for Pete's sake! It's not to make the impact less it's to do less damage. You put rediculous faith in scientific hard evidence under test conditions. It's theory versus practice in the real world. Under a combat situation it is harder to record on target blows with big gloves. Yes it favours both but it reduces an already slim chance for the smaller guy entirely.

more on target punches then.

a clean punch to the jaw is more effective than a glancing blow. More glancing blows are likely with bigger gloves. The target is smaller.

Are you saying a glancing blow from a big guy still can't hurt the little man?

I find your posting on this matter rather pedantic.

 

Well to be fair if you're in the top ten according to every ranking body available I'd say you belong there.

Come from behind knockouts qualify? I can't rememberthe cards at the time of the stoppage tbh.

Of course they're disadvantaged. But skill level can overcome that advantage. I've said many times, the biggest issue for me is clinching and leaning being allowed.

We'll see how successful an endeavour it is as I'm sure he's fighting Wilder next and hopefully the winner faces Fury. Haye will struggle getting the fight because of his exploits two years ago but if he did and he was back to his best he should have more than enough for Fury. Outside those 2, time will tell if a sub 230 man reclaims the throne. I don't think Fury hits hard enough to dissuade men getting inside, I don't think Wlad is young enough and Joshua and Wilder are untested. Exciting time ahead.

 

I think Anthony Joshua will be undisputed champ within the next 3 years - he is clearly the best prospect in this division and will beat the likes of Wilder and Fury. Time will tell I guess but he reminds me a lot of Frank Bruno without his weaknesses