CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Gosh

You must think a lot of Tyson Fury..

 

So the same people saying that Tyson Fury nearly got KOd by Cunningham and looked like he would have trouble with cruiserweights think that Wlad would KO Rocky in one round!

 

Didn't he just pull a Nate Campbell dipsh*t move and stick his chin out there or am I misremembering the USS Cunningham fight?

When Tyson turned on the gas Cunningham went into a shell and then folded.

 

No. He missed a punch and tried to avoid one of Cunningham's counters (an overhand right that he didn't see coming until it was pretty far along) by backing straight out with hands down and got caught. Looked like he underestimated Cunningham's reach and handspeed. He took his time getting up but was in perfectly fine shape. Perfectly timed, hard punch but wasn't all that close to knocking him out, imo.

FWIW, Tyson turned on the gas and overwhelmed Cunningham mostly by holding, leaning, and hitting him with shoulders and forearms, etc.

 

The size dynamic that ultimately killed Cunningham's chances would be far, far worse for Marciano. Cunningham is a 6'3 man with an 82 inch reach and decent speed and agility. Marciano is not.

 

Well for one no one should think he nearly knocked him out, they should know it because it's recorded fact.

And for two, anyone who has posted here for any length of time really knows that all of this waffle from Choklab is the bolster Marciano in h2h debates so a bit of tongue in cheek reply every now and again is fine.

I don't expect Wlad to win in one round, maybe 4-5.

 

And I'm the only one here who got off the fence and stated (on this thread post #963)before the Wlad v Fury fight that I was putting money on Tyson fury to win. I predicted the upset and bet on it!!!

Thank you Mr Fury. :good

The undoing of Wlad has always been pace.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=522193&page=65

 

I've never mentioned marciano for ages. Certainly not on this thread.

Saying It's time for the heavyweight division to officially become the superheavyweight division (like the championship has been for years anyway) and cruiserweight becoming heavyweight is more about making cruiserweight a mainstream division. It has nothing to do with Rocky. He died years ago.

Mcgrain cunningly diverted me with my apparent minority view on small gloves but at the end of the day I am the one who is predicting upsets correctly and offering something different.

 

I've said ten times now it's easier for both to land. Precision gives the small man "something". Without it he has "nothing".

It stands to reason that a smaller glove can pinpoint smaller targets for both. who lands first is in with chance of pinpointing a small target. Sometimes the big guy. Sometimes the little guy.


Your data was about MMA gloves that I used as an example in comparison to size to the older gloves with dangerous horse hair stuffing that could be manipulated away from knuckles which you have no data on.

Perhaps we could debate that?


Knockouts from punches scored in the MMA appears to be overly effective in comparison to the technique used. But that might be just my opinion.

I still think the MMA sized glove is more effective since it clearly has a smaller circumference than big 10oz gloves even if test prove impact is the same with a clean shot on target.

And that's what it's about really clean shots doing more damage than glancing blows.

 

I do believe this to a degree but it's more complicated than just that. Just from my experience it hurts and shakes me up more getting hit ungloved than it does gloved.

But if we take a scientific approach we know energy can't be simply lost but it isn't transferred to the exact area as quickly if you have a softer larger glove. Meaning that the energy is transferred to a smaller area, meaning more cuts/bruises but also imo more likely to cause a concussion because the power of the punch is transferred quicker meaning the chin jolts back quicker and the brain hits against the skull quicker.

Take the idea of a softer bigger glove to the extreme and hit me around the head with a timmy mallet toy or a pillow, could you knock me out?

BUT once you land a few times without a padded glove/wraps you'll hurt your hand and you won't be able to hit so hard even if you want to. Your body doesn't let you follow through once you're bust your knuckles up. Where as with large wraps, gauze, tape and big gloves you can powerpunch all night long.

That's my take that's free of argumentative bias as I'm not fussed on the fantasy fight (Wlad obviously beats such a small man 99 times out of a 100). If someone loves a small fighter so much they want to believe they win, let them.

 

If the smaller boxer had bigger gloves than his bigger opponent ,would he have the advantage because he had less area to defend and more protection to do it with?
Would the larger man be at a disadvantage because of his greater mass and smaller gloves to block punches?

Or, would the bigger boxer with the smaller gloves have the edge because he would be more likely to thread his punches through the guard of his smaller opponent?

At what point would the glove differential become a deciding factor ,a difference of 4 ounces 6,8?

These questions have still not been satisfactorily resolved.:think

 

Circumference of the impact area must be somewhat of deciding factor in achieving cleaner connection. Mexican gloves were popularly known as punchers gloves mainly because of their narrower compact fit. Weight wise they were the same but so far as fighters were concerned they made a big difference. Barry McGuigan for one talked a lot about it. Surly a smaller glove altogether increases this difference further. So I would say size and weight or the glove makes a difference.

 

I was being facetious.
The gloves you refer to are the REYES gloves?
McGuigan has the hands of a heavyweight.