CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

The Brewster rematch, and the Peter fight showed Wlad is willing to risk much. At times some critics questioned his courage, and he usually responded well.

In most of Wlad fights, he lands a big shot, then the other guy is on the defensive. I don't think Fury could take a big shot, and if he does he will be on the defensive. All Wlad needs to do is throw much more than 19 punches on average around, and the rest will take care of itself.

Fury is just an okay puncher. He did not hurt Wlad in the fight. Wlad's chin is actually okay vs guys who hit on Fury's level. Wlad's just one of those guys where the anticipation of punch is often worse than the punch itself. But he felt Fury's looping right hands already, so anticipation won't surprise him.

If the fire is back, Wlad will dust this guy, I guarantee it. By taking the rematch so quickly, my guess is it is.

I actually think the upset is good for the sport, and Wlad winning the rematch will be even better for the sport.

 

For those who dont live in the UK here is Deontay's Wilder take on it all last night on radio - a very good interview about the HW scene at the moment on for 15 minutes- have to wait a minute for the commercial to finish

http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusi...-tyson-fury-im-coming-your-belts-151203176475

 

Yes but Brewster was thoroughly diminished fighter by the time the rematch came off and offered little challenge. The first Peter fight was a true display of Wlad's ability to overcome adversity, but that was over 10 years ago.. You also have to factor into the equation that Fury got an education in this fight.. Next time he'll be more experienced, confident and very likely fighting in front of his home crowd.

He occasionally landed a decent shot against Fury and even a few of them in the last round, and it didn't save his title.. He's going to have to be a hell of lot busier the next time around and less hesitant. If he does this, he might very well knock out Tyson as you say.. But it could also open him up for getting tagged as well.

Wlad wasn't hurt "badly".. But he was indeed hurt occasionally by some of the punches Fury landed to the head. The other thing Wlad is going to have to do ( as kellerman commented on ) is going to the body.. He hasn't done this in his last several fights.

Possibly but it could go either way. The money that the rematch will bring is too tempting to pass on and may be his opportunity to cash out.. But as for his hunger and confidence in himself to actually "win?" that remains to be seen.

Well there are a few big "If's" here.. IF Wlad wins the rematch and IF its an exciting fight, it may help his legacy, especially IF Tyson goes on to having a respectable career afterward..

 

It tells you nothing because the rematch was already in place before the fight as it always was in the K2 promotions ,which incidentally is why not every challenger was anxious to sign their lives away, to get a title shot.. Wlad waited 5 years before he re-matched Peter who had gone from unbeaten to 34-3-0.
Being stopped by Wlad's "policeman ," his big brother Vitali and dropping a dec to Eddie Chambers.
Similarly the rematch with Brewster was 3 years later and coming when Brewster was 35 years old and had just lost to Siahei Lyakovitch.

A 40 years old man winning back the title would be good for the sport? An ex- champion who has regularly stunk out arenas ,regaining his title would be beneficial for boxing?

Yeah right! Fortunately it won't happen!

 

I don't think a 40 year old heavyweight champion has ever regained the title on a "rematch ." Obviously there have been older men like Foreman who recaptured the title but not under those same circumstances.. I agree that it won't likely do anything productive for heavyweight boxing should Wlad win. Klit has been less than exciting for most of his career and that's not likely to change now.. The only thing it will do is put a loss on the record of a young undefeated champion who might otherwise be better suited for matching up against some of the division's other young hopefuls.. This is how good eras are either made or broken.. Not with old men standing in the way of young talent...Wlad's best contribution to the sport at this point would be retirement...

 

It would certainly arouse more interest in the heavyweight title from US TV.

 

Wlad was crushing Brewster before Brewster, who could punch a ton landed some good shots and something odd happened. Taking the re-match showed stones.

Fury did just enough to win. Wlad learns he fouls and hangs back, with the defense of an amateur. I hope Fury is over confident, and it's well within his personality to assume he will be. I think Wlad responds to criticism well and did not like losing for the first time in 11 years.

Fury is not a good counter puncher, so the reward here far out weights the risk. Wlad's corner advice was ****. They should have told him he needed to start winning rounds much sooner than they did when he had better stamina They should have told him to throw more punches. I do not think Fury can take it, and if Wlad had landed earlier ( his main mistake which can be changed ) he's going to either stop him or make him very gun shy. It will be a different fight.

Doing the opposite of what Kellerman says is correct quite a few times. Wlad isn't going to throw a body punch on the outside, but he can learn to do so in a clinch or when Fury is circling away. If Fury could not hurt Wlad badly, he's in trouble. Now Wlad can open up more often, which I predict he will in the re-match.

There is no guarantee with his age, but rematches usually favor the better fighter from a historical context. Fury is not the better fighter.

He can win his usual style. He'll get credit for avenging a dubious loss. If he can't, he's simply too old, just like many distinguished champions where.

 

The loss was good for the sport, and I'm a Wlad fan. Look at the conversations going on now because of the upset.

Fury is a goof ball type, and he won't last long on top.

The interest level for the re-match is high for many reasons and I near certain you'll see more action if it happens.

 

I suppose anything can happen between two colossally large men with a big punch and yearning to grab the title.. We'll just wait and see what happens.

 

I'm not a Fury fan, I see lots of flaws in his style ,what I also see is that he has very big b*lls unlike Wlad who has been gunshy for years.I don't see much interest in the rematch it was a stinker of a fight ,[when aren't Wlads?] and you couldn't help but see more action in a rematch than the first fight, except for the result it was dire.If its held at Wembley it might do 30,40,000. I would much sooner see Fury v Povetkin or Wilder.The Bore Snore Reign is over.AMEN! MOVE ON!

 

"Something odd happened"
The most blatant foul was the butt Wlad landed on Fury,for which the referee [and I use the term loosely,] did not penalise him or even warn him.

A man who is 39 years old and has 68 fights ,holding a version of the title for God knows how long,needed his corner to tell him what tactics to adopt when things did not go according to his script?atsch

Prime Wlad beats Fury now ,this present version of Wlad gets stopped in the rematch.
You don't think Fury can take it?
And Wlad can?atsch


Nothing dubious about the loss, he got beat. END OF!

 

How was it dubious?:roll: The result was as clear cut as you get. He got shut out. Out boxed and dominated. Something his fanboi's said was an impossibility

 

The key to beating Wlad is pace and size.

Fury has both. If he can keep his weight as low.

 

Unlike some I wasn't a huge fan of Fury's performance and because he holds his left so low, I do think Wlad has a good chance of regaining the title, but to call that win dubious, is ridiculous.

That was a clear cut win, even if the fight wasn't all that great.

Basically Fury did just a bit more than Wlad in vast majority of the rounds, and absent any knock downs, that's really all you have to do.

 

Yeah you'd have to be pretty biased to call that a robbery..