Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

Fair enough,I was surprised myself.I think this just emphasises my point really ,he was made in the amateurs and, like Usyk, finetuned as a pro.

 

If you have a look in the Wki part of his boxrec it has him 335-15.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Oleksandr_Usyk

 

Thanks for that ,and thanks for the heads up!

 

That’s right. This was an older Usyk after all. The scope in all future discussions has been blown wide open here.

 

I don't see why you say this.Walcott was194 for his title winning fight against Charles192 for the 4th bout192 for Tommy Gomez.,Maxim ,and Elmer Ray,194 for Tandberg,194 for the 1st Louis fight which many felt he won, and 195 for the 2nd.

 

Spinks was 212 and 6’3” as a heavyweight. Is that really so far off Usyk against Joshua?

I wouldn’t rule anything out. If the smaller fighter can strategically restrict the bigger man within the restraint of a boxing chess match like Usyk was able to there is scope for it to happen again.

 

Cool, he was also 197 lbs against Johnson, 198 lbs against Agramonte, 197 lbs against Skhor, 201 lbs against Ten Hoff, 200 lbs against Layne, 196.5 lbs against Charles in the 4th (not 192 lbs) and 196.5 lbs against Rocky. He was also 194.5 lbs in the first Louis fight, which is as close to 195 as to 194. On top of that, it's clear that Walcott fought around 200 lbs against bigger opponents but trained down against quicker ones.

Walcott fought at his best in 195-200 lbs range. As far as I know, Usyk didn't fight in 225-230 lbs range. He was at his biggest in Joshua fight and he weighed 221 lbs. He fought below 220 lbs range in different HW fights. That's why I mentioned that the difference is closer to 20 lbs than 30 lbs.

 

Yes, from trolls, but regulars?

 

Who would you call a troll? A lot of regulars have questionable opinions to say the least. I also have some questionable opinions and I hope that people don't view me as a troll.

 

Uysk would probably go against Walcott at his rehydrated 210 cruiser range at the most. There would be no need for him to slow down and pack extra weight because he isn't going against a 240 lb 6'6" muscle man. Added weight would work against him if he's trying to pressure Walcott.

The difference would be 10 to 15 lbs spread out on a taller lean frame. I feel Walcott would still be the bigger puncher and physically stronger man. Walcott at 36-39 might even have quicker hands.

I'm not sold on Uysk beating Walcott. It would probably have to be a very workman decision.

 

I feel Liston's power is overstated in a pure pound for pound sense because he had a genuine 20 lbs on many of his opponents. He is likely to get bullied physically by men like Lewis and Wlad, though his punching power would still be a threat to them

 

Heres the problem, Spinks still showed up at about 200 pounds or more on the night and Holmes isn't a super heavyweight so the point is moot. Spinks didn't beat Bowe or anything, Holyfield did but Holyfield showed up at well over 200 pounds for the 2nd fight when he did beat Bowe.

Usyk was 6'3, 221lb. He has a huge size advantage against sub 200 pounders from the early 20th century. Do you understand this ? The size difference between Usyk and Tunney for example is the same as Usyk and Joshua and there was a significant size difference between Usyk and Joshua so the size difference between Joshua and Gene Tunney would be massive, too massive. Usyk beating Joshua never suprised ne because i always thought he had the tools to do it and because Ali sized fighters could beat modern SHWs if skilled enough but not 180-195 pound guys. Nah.

 

Braddock, very, very lucky for me.
If That had been Baer from the Schmeling fight, we might have seen him stop JJB.

 

The point I would like to make is that at 212lb Micheal Spinks is not so far away from Usyk himself. Not who he beat. How he measures up to Usyk.

why should spinks be eliminated from consideration when he’s done close in size to Usyk? It’s not that much of a reach.

Usyk v Tunney is a very interesting point. On one hand we can look at the extra weight on Usyk for the Joshua fight and decide that would make him a lot bigger than Tunney. But would Usyk chose to weigh so high against a lighter foe?
Joshua came in lighter for fast a
Opponents, so I imagine Usyk would too.

it’s not like Usyk would need extra weight to to steamroll Tunney is it? He’s going to want to compete with his own speed. It’s a very good fight don’t you think?

Who knows? Usyk might just want to come in at his lowest weight ever.

 

You would surely have to address the question why hasn't it happened ?Why do all the smaller guys bulk up? Take Beterbiev a tank of a fighter who would concede him a realistic chance as he now is ,against a big quality heavy ? Beterbiev v Whyte? Even against Joyce ,who would be the prohibitive favourite?