Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

From your perspective, how did Shavers get ranked and win fights? He's not exactly a skilled operator, as you agree in your post (re: Shavers and Liston.)

Are you saying Shavers was some sort of heavyweight Bob Foster, who possessed tons of power against cruiserweights that evaporated against heavyweights?

Also, why 215 pounds as the cutoff? As opposed to 210, or 220, or any other number?

I agree he was more skilled, but what evidence do you have for Liston being powerful? He knocked out guys the same size as Shavers KO'd -- indeed, failed to take out Ellis sized Machen, despite Sonny having greater skill to put punches on target. And even if Liston had more power than Shavers, that doesn't prove Liston hit hard, since you rate Shavers as featherfisted.

Okay. It's been a long time since I thought about this (I haven't had my own list for years), but here are 20 fighters off the top of my head that I believe a reasonable person could consider greater than Bowe:

Louis
Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Ali
Tyson
Lewis
Wlad
Holyfield
Marciano
Dempsey
Schmeling
Johnson
Jeffries
Fury (maybe; arguable)
Charles
Holmes
Michael Spinks
Moorer (very arguable)
Sullivan

EDIT: And Buster Douglas.

 

So you'd pick Canelo over Marciano in a fight?

 

It was a post about Valuev and Braddock, I think, which you agreed with.

EDIT: It was about Schmeling, my bad. Earlier he's been on about Valuev-Braddock, that's why.

 

Really ?!?
I never knew such a thing was possible. Anyway, Frazier stands little to no chance.

That's completely irrelevant for a H2H matchup. Louis beat contenders from his era. Those men would not be good enough to be contenders in another era.

 

Fair enough.

 

It is. But not representative of this board I think.

 

Some of them would have been contenders in Bowe’s era. Don’t tell me Walcott, Conn, and Schmeling couldn’t hang with Zolkien, Hide, and Botha (or the non contenders that Bowe liked to fight).

 

Well, "surely the whole too big argument has to stop" seems to imply more than one random guy in one thread.

To me it implied that Usyk's victory threw people's beliefs all over board, when many picked him to win and most of the rest had him as a live underdog. There was a consensus that this was a very good fight and the best possible consolation for AJ-Fury falling through just because Usyk was given a good chance to cause the upset. And had he been younger and looked better in his last three fights it might not even have been an upset.

So I kind of reject the premise of this thread. This result hasn't turned any worlds up side down. It wasn't a fantasy to hardly anyone that a guy Usyk's size could beat Joshua if he was skilled enough.

But it's been a quite enjoyable thread nonetheless.

 

I don't have Tunney or Corbett in my top 20 either though.

 

If two fighters are of comparable ability both prime,and one is 5 10" -11" and 187lbs,and the other is 6'3"and 220lbs.
1,Who would be favourite?
2.Whom would you pick to win?