Classic forum fight of the year and fighter of the year 2010

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am starting to think that it has to be Martinez.
     
    janitor, Dec 28, 2010
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  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Looks great on paper. But when you dig it isn´t as great anymore. Margarito was exposed as a cheater and done and it was at a catchweight for a vacant belt. It is in the running but what Martinez did was better IMO.
     
    bodhi, Dec 28, 2010
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well, running with the ball you brought to the game, Marinez beat an already-exposed alcoholic who has since all but retired and an ex-welterweight who had already been totally exposed by the limited Quintana.
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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  4. Swarmer

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    This post is exactly why I didn't **** on Tony being too worn out. Atleast Williams revenged himself upon Quintana in style though, and Martinez did have a competitive bout with him before. "Exposing" paul williams doesnt really mean much, the holes in his style are pretty salient and his chin is always out there with a little goatee on it saying "Punch me, punch meeee!". P-dub is just a big lanky punch machine. Which aint too far from Margarito himself actually, who Martinez certainly had trouble with.

    Martinez beats any version of Pavlik.
     
    Swarmer, Dec 28, 2010
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  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exposed at a higher weight when he fought with an illness. Also a much bigger man. And he beat him to a bloody pulp. The other guy was "the most avoided man in boxing today", who impressivly avenged his sole defeat, was a two weight belt-holder, a Top10 p4p fighter and had a win over him. And is even a big mw, despite starting at welter. ;)
     
    bodhi, Dec 28, 2010
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  6. McGrain

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    At the end of the day, Pacquiao has done, this year, things that all but the most deluded knew to be impossible in about 2007. His picking up a strap at 154, under whatever circumstance was known to be impossible, even by Freddie Roach.

    Is Martinez doing the impossible in beating up on Pavlik?
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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  7. McGrain

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    All I have to do, really, is repeat over and over again that Pavlik was an actual alcoholic when Martinez put him out of his misery, and that however avoided Williams might have been, Carlos Quintana beat him.


    I also couldn't disagree more that Williams was a "big middleweight". And he didn't start at welterweight.

    ;)
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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  8. di tullio

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    Yeah, his lasts five fights have really been something.
     
    di tullio, Dec 28, 2010
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  9. Swarmer

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    Agreed on the revisionist perceptions of Manny vs. Hoya, Margarito, Clottey, Hatton, etc. You only need to search a little in the General to find threads claiming Manny would get spanked by all of them.

    I certainly don't think anyone would have favored Martinez over Pavlik pre-Hopkins. But things change.

    Bodhi, Williams is a small MW. He doesn't translate well to that weight. He is best at JMW actually. That's part of the reason why team Williams fought for that catchweight.
     
    Swarmer, Dec 28, 2010
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  10. di tullio

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    I think Manny's win over Clottey is more impressive than the Margarito beatdown.
     
    di tullio, Dec 28, 2010
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  11. McGrain

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    This is basically my point, yes. Now all anyone wants to talk about is this one was drained, that one was old, this one was recently disgraced. These things, there was nobody sane picking Pacquiao at the time. You can find threads where Pac fans are starting threads about how Hatton would get KO'd by Pacquiao and people were just laughing at them. I was laughing at them.

    In something like 10 years time, when the coal cools to ash on this, the idea of anyone being the fighter of the year in any year in the second half of the decade, I don't know...but for sure, for me, Pacquiao this year, not close.

    Yeah. Not that this is the be-all-and-end-all of criteria for judging performance, but yeah, after he lost to Hopkins, people took a long hard look at the guy...then those stories started creeping out...i think in all honesty the only people who were really surprised at Martinez beating Pavlik were those that hadn't been paying attention.
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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  12. McGrain

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    In its way. He took on a stalker three weight divisions above his supposed roof and actually took him out of the fight...he actually made it so a, yes, limited, but top ranked contender just full on couldn't get into the fight. He wasn't in that fight.

    Clottey is a weird ****er, but he never behaved like that before. He just couldn't get a punch off. He was totally and utterly outclassed in every conceivable way. Could you look away though?
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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  13. di tullio

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    I had to. I'm Clottey's number one fan. :|
     
    di tullio, Dec 28, 2010
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  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For me, no fight matched up with the excitement of Marquez-Katsidis. My fight of the year hands down as well as round 3 being round of the year. KO of the year would be Martinez-Williams. Comeback of the year would be Erik Morales. I'm still torn on fighter of the year. I like seeing activity in a fighter. Two fights a year I have trouble with. Humberto Soto was an impressive champ putting his title on the line 4 times but he really needed a marquee name. Titles aside, Saul Alvarez had a really good year. Like I said, the other categories I'm comfortable with but I need more time of the fighter himself.

    Scartissue
     
    scartissue, Dec 28, 2010
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  15. McGrain

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    :lol: ok, you get a pass.
     
    McGrain, Dec 28, 2010
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