Classic forum fight of the year and fighter of the year 2010

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by janitor, Dec 28, 2010.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    All that kind of passed me by, you know how you just miss out on something? Then I was trawling about General one day, and found all these videos about how supposedly scared Mayweather was and all that there. Some of them were funny.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    Yes Oscar was the last fighter I picked over Pacquaio, the time before that was MAB. Great win, that gets overly downplayed, Oscar was terribly drained but but I doubt most WWs would have dominated in quite the same way

    None the less, there is question marks over the win because of the weight draining, we don't know how good Delahoya was that night

    But anyway this is 2010 and Margarito and Clottey aren't massive scalps, just quite good ones
     
  3. McGrain

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    I think that's a fine way of putting it. That is probably the most disturbed I have ever been watching a fight. I watched the HBO broadcast the next day:

    "Of all the choices of the things we expected to see, this is the one we least expected to see."

    Or something like that, Larry Merchant.
     
  4. di tullio

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    Pacquiao-Marquez II was such an awesome fight.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    Well 4lbs lighter to be fair and not the same athletic phenomenon tbh. I wish Marquez got Hatton when Pacquaio was umming and arring because it would have been a repeat of the Katsidis/Diaz fights with greater acclaim
     
  6. Swarmer

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    I just think he's leaving a hot class to go to heavier a class where titles are being hunted by big names with heavy hands. Just don't see it working out that well. But who knows, it's boxing!

    I dunno about scared or anything like that, but he had a high activity style and looked quite the formidable swarmer coming up the WW ranks. A lot of people point out that PBF chose a great time to leave when things were getting dicey, and kind of swooped in and picked up the pieces. I dunno if there's merit to that, it sounds trollish, but who knows?
     
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    Maybe because Marg was a high risk/little reward or the fact Arum wanted to sign Mayweather for 22million for 3 fights (Margarito/Cotto/Hatton), with no Delahoya fight, Mayweather would make more than that for the Delahoya match alone
     
  8. McGrain

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    Yeah, four pounds is not negligible at these kind of weights but nor is it a massive, massive difference. Now compare them at 147. Marquez looked unable to defend himself, and tiny and Mayweather is not a BIG WW even if he is a strong one...Pacquiao meanwhile looks the business.

    You mention athleticism above. It's more about that, than any freaky size advantage.
     
  9. McGrain

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    :D does it hurt?
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    Yes but Marquez fought a much much better opponent than anyone Pacquaio has been in with, 1 that looked a stylistic nightmare for him trying to out counter the ultimate defensive counter puncher.

    Marquez may well get splattered by Marg or Cotto, but he may well outbox both, counter and give both men a beating. JMMs problem at 147 would be, he isn't as big/strong as Pac, his power obviously won't carry up as well, his chin/durability won't carry up aswell.
     
  11. Swarmer

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    Hey, that's a good deal. 7+ million dollars for fighters who "aren't that great"? That's not so bad. DLH made a good power move though, coming down in weight. Nice way to give ol' jewbag a middle finger eh?

    Oh and JMM gets ****ed up above 135 tbh, if you're letting guys like Katsidis dump you on your butt and a Diaz more interested in law school has his moments with you it's probably best to stay away from bigger dudes
     
  12. di tullio

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    :patsch
    No boxing fan should be deprived of great fights like Mayweather vs. Cotto and Margarito.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I got to agree with Swarmer on Marquez. He just isn't fast and explosive enough to get up there. He's feet aren't fast enough. For a few rounds, he was over-run (if not quite overwhelmed) by Diaz in 1. He's getting walked all over at 147, as far as I can see the proof is out there.
     
  14. Swarmer

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    It's pretty obvious by now that PBF doesnt really give a **** about boxing(and i don't blame him given his family) has always been in it for the money and doesn't pretend to care about anything else. He already considers himself the GOAT, I think in some ways he believes that he doesn't even need to clean out WW because he knows he can outbox any of these guys. except maybe one.

    I'm not too tore up about Marquez-Pac not happening; it's clear now that Pacquiao as he is would really annihilate JMM, he should still do it though to clear away the controversy of the first two fights but i'm not surprised he's going for easy scrilla. Marquez can clean out 35, i'm sure Soto would be a huge domestic bout in mexico, Vazquez would be a great fight, and Rios would probably be great in it's own light. And hey, Maybe he could take on the 140lb king. But I still think he loses to that guy too.
     
  15. McGrain

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    You know what? I do think Floyd was scared of Margarito. Personally. Margarito is a huge and physically confident guy. He got in Floyd's **** every time he saw him. The line Floyd laid on him face to face about "me and you having a fight further down the road in a superfight for millions" always sounded like bull**** to me, and furthermore, he looked a little intimidated, honestly.

    In the ring, it would be different, but I just don't think Floyd fancied that job. I think he said "**** it" over Margarito.

    Doesn't matter now. Shane did the business, and Pacquiao mopped it up, and somewhere in there, the beating he took, Margarito probably redeemed himself in some small way. So it all worked out. In 2020, nobody is going to be talking about Floyd ducking Margarito, if they talk about Margarito at all, it will just be as a notorious cheat.

    But I do think that Floyd, he said "**** it" on that one. That's my opinion.