Classic Forums Opinion on Muhammad Ali as a boxer, and a person.

Are you suggesting Ali was a pedophile? :huh

 

Accusations surrounded Tex Rickard regarding the same.......

 

A very 'touche' subject this could turn out to be. I'll step back and I probably shouldn't have followed-up on it.


IMO it's nonsense anyway.


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Hence the word "accusations"..........

 

This is one way of viewing him, foccusing on the bad and on quite hazy allegations. But to complete the picture there are other things to consider.

1. He has been man enough to apologize both for how he treated his first wife (slapping her) and for his womanizing. There's many who can't own up to their mistakes.

2. He often showed spontanous kindness and generosity. Like when he heard that the ref in the Mildenberger fight had been robbed of his earnings and reimbursed him straight out of his own pocket. He also gave money to Louis at times, who not only had said nice things about him. There are many testimonies to how he helped out people in tight spots without asking for anything in return.

3. I don't believe he wilfully tortured Patterson. I think he was wary of Patterson's hook until the end and opted to stay at range for most of the fight. That he showed a bit of arrogance towards Moore as an 18-year old? For ****s sake, if we all are judged by such standards few are going to come ut smelling like roses. I also think that you need a bit of arrogance to climb such heights as he did. To fight Liston with one's hands at waist level and standing against the rop against Foreman is really the very height of arrogance.

 

Ali as a boxer: The greatest of them all!

Ali as a person: Don´t know him but no one is perfect. He was hard on Frazier but he knew he got under the skin on frazier and Frazier was a lethal fighter so he probably had to beat him before the fight as well as in the fight to really win, and of course to sell tickets.
I think he seems to be a very nice guy.
But just so you know Ali is little of a house god here.
All the best
The predator

 

Above all he was a complex character.

To describe himn as a good person or a bad person would be a gross oversimplification.

 

That was what I was trying to put across. He had bad sides (as already mentioned by others) and good sides as well.

 

So, is the Holmes comment linked with the 'not legal'? What's the soruce for this either way?

I'd rather be an opponent and get called what Frazier did by Ali than be a son and listen to the things Frazier said about Marvis.

 

What did Frazier say about Marvis?

 

Amongst other things, the most memorable came when he'd been destroyed by Tyson "I like to see a man go out like that", after Holmes when a reporter said was it painful to see your son beat up like that, he said "No, that wasn't me taking those shots." I can't believe he'd actually even think these things. There's worse stuff than that even, in an article by someone like Richard Hoffer or Peter King. I'll root it out maybe, later.

 

Joe was a terrible influence on his sons career. Threw him to the wolves. I don't think it ever registered that Marvis just wasn't dad.

 

But as long as Joe wasn't "taking those shots" it obviously didn't bother him. :hey

 

And take them Marvis did atsch

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Terrible. Talk about lamb to the slaughter. I don't want to turn this into a 'Have a go at Joe' exercise though. But felt I needed to comment on this most 'humane and decent man' one could ever meet, which Russell virtually made him out to be.