Classic Forum's Reaction to Mayweather's Retirement and ATG Status

I think that was genuine as he already was a big Pavlik fan when the Taylor rematch occured. However, i'm pretty sure that he made several posts after DLH-PBF to say how he scored the fight in favor of Oscar, despite the golden boy being past his prime, etc etc.

 

I seem to remember Q having it a draw, then re-watching it and scoring it by a point for Floyd. Could be wrong though.

 

SS has it right, I orgininally had it a draw, then i rescored it and had it for floyd by 1 point. either way a deathly close fight.

I made a whole thread in the forum before pavlik-taylor I even existed if you look way back, and i claimed pavlik was going to be something special and knock taylor out and go on to be a great champion. Everyone laughed in my face. Ill never forget that.

 

Well you haven't exactly gone on to be proven right. Pavlik did knock out Taylor but he hasn't yet shown he is something special and is a great champion.

 

Your right Patrick

 

I think Mayweather's retirement is just a marketing hoax to set him up for a big pay day in the future. Floyd has said after just about everyone of his last several fights that he was retiring, and within weeks was signed to fight someone for a monster purse.

I suspect that 18 months from now or so, Arum, King, or Golden Boy will offer him twice as much money to come out and fight someone like Cotto, than he would have made had he chose to fight such a person right this minute.

We have not by any means seen the last of Pretty Boy Floyd.

 

Its funny because Mcgrain just loves to put words into peoples mouths, or perhaps I should say this one time.

Power Puncher, I specifically said a 1958-1959 Liston has a much better shot at beating ali and that liston matches up better h2h vs the rest of the field with his boxer/puncher style than ali. Never did I say liston would beat ali.

 

No I did not and in the manner in which you laid it out, you attempted to make me make me look very foolish and low class. I suspect a man of your integrity and intelligence would be better than that. I specifically said a 1958-1959 Liston has a much better shot at beating ali and that liston matches up better h2h vs the rest of the field with his boxer/puncher style than ali. Never did I say liston would defintley beat ali.

 

Personally I think Liston has no chance in any of his forms, he had slow feet and has trouble with lateral movement with the likes of Machen, Alis feet were lightening for a HW and he choose the fighting ground picking Liston apart at will. This would always happen because of the footwork. Hell, If Patterson had tried to stuck and move instead of taking it to Liston he may have given Liston trouble

 

But a 1950s liston was much more fleet footed, he tracked his prey down much faster. His legs were pretty much gone by the time he fought Ali. Though never overly fast, he was quick and Liston with his 84" reach didnt need to go that far to trach ali down with his long arms, he could find ali from a distance, and one of alis biggest flaws was trying to lean back from a left hook and liston with his long left hook. Ali befuddled liston by unleashing flurries on his head in 64. Liston by this time simply had no speed or timing left to be able to respond. A peak sonny lisotn whose timing and speed were better, can defintley trap and engage ali much easier. That liston has the stamina to fight 15 rounds. That liston was in much better shape.