Classic Forum's take on Jones vs Hopkins II

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by rekcutnevets, Apr 2, 2010.


  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Actually Jones fought a very smart fight. He kept the fight in the center of the ring for the most part, he avoided a lot of punishment and survived with dignity. Jones had nothing to offer. His legs are completely gone, his speed is gone, his timing is gone, and he didnt keep his hands up. Hopkins for one reason or another was scared of Jones and was looking to get out of the fight with all that behavior. He was the one that initiated every foul that Jones supposedly committed.
    The bottom line is Jones had nothing, he knew it, and was looking for a good payday without getting embarrassed and he accomplished that along with a bonus of making Hopkins look like a total *****! As Ive said, Hopkins won the fight, but Jones won the event.
     
  2. horst

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    All I really noticed was that Roy Jones was somehow even more shot to smithereens than he was in 2004 when it was first obvious to anyone that he was shot to ****.
     
  3. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Wow, that was only 6 years ago. I guess he was somehow 35 instead of somehow being 41. However that might have happened.

    You really are bitter. You sling the word "shot" around too often as well. There is a vast difference between no longer the best in the world, and shot. Boxrec ranks 775 light heavyweights. Forget where they have Jones ranked, as their actual placement of fighters is often unimportant. The point is that roughly 775 men have competed at light heavyweight in the past year. If only 25 of these fighters can defeat him, then Jones is better than nearly 97% of his peers. If only 70 can defeat him, Jones is still in the top 10%.

    You were also critical of the event as well, saying it could lead to more like it. I hope it does. I didn't pay for the contest the other night, but I wouldn't have been upset if I did. That was an excellent card. Frankie Gomez had one of the more entertaining professional debut's than I am accustomed to seeing. I was introduced to a prospect I want see more out of in Ismayl Sillakh, and Mora vs Green was about as good as it gets.

    I realize Mora and Green may insignificant to some, but that bout was an example of what makes most of us a fan of the sport. Those fighters may be on a level that never approaches the descriptive term great, but their back and forth effort showed us what makes boxing great.
     
  4. horst

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    Bitter?! :lol: Why am I bitter??! Because I call a shot fighter a shot fighter?? Because I call a farcical mismatch main event what it is as well? How that translates into bitterness I have no idea. I have always been an RJJ fan and I'm exhausted and depressed from watching him this past 6 years. The only reason he continues is because people like yourself are fooled into thinking he has something left by his meaningless wins over blatantly handpicked patsys like Tito and Lacy. If everyone behaved like I have been for the past few years and refused to acknowledge any legitimacy or purpose to Roy's efforts, he would have shuffled off into retirement amidst a collective lack of interest some time ago - salvaging health, dignity and reputation in the process.

    Anyway, the undercard does not justify the lamentable main event. Mora and Green would have fought on another undercard if this shameful sham had not been made.
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    You come across as bitter, because your posts come across with a bitter tone.

    You also want to label a fighter as "shot" when that fighter is capable of handling over 90% of his field.

    Hopkins defeated a live opponent the other night.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    By that logic Ali wasnt shot when Berbick beat him, whats you're definition of shot?
     
  7. Gesta

    Gesta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WTF was I thinking?

    Well when you are right 10% of the time you are wrong 90% of the time.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    Not really man. Jones is really 100% shot and completely gone now. If he would have had what he had left in the Lacy and Trinidad fight, I actually think he would have beaten Hopkins, because Bernard looked that bad himself. Jones is in very poor condition now and needs to stop before he really gets hurt. If that kid on the undercard who beat Daniel Judah would have been in with either Hopkins or Jones he would have seriously hurt both of them.
    It seems by reading Hopkins interviews this morning hes going to continue on, so he will most definitely get dealt with badly if he tries to fight a young strong opponent, like a Haye, Dawson, or someone along those lines.
     
  9. enquirer

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    I just got to say that hippo is a total hypocrite and a ***** man. He fouls and tries illegal tactics against everyone,then when someone like jones or calzaghe give him a bit back,he cries like a baby.
    And he acts like hes a street fighter or hard because hes been to prison?
    ****ing joke,dont know how he lives with himself...
    Hes all about money only obviously.....
     
  10. lefthook31

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    His comments in his interviews that are posted all over the web today are a total joke. He blames everyone else for the fouls, yet he initiated every one of them.
     
  11. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Jones is not showing signs of having Parkinson's that I know of.

    The main reason Jones is not doing well is because he is still trying to fight like he did when he was younger, and he simply can't. Jones has not adapted his style to fit his age. Jones still has very fast hands, and the ability he has left probably allows him to look good in sparring. I'm sure he is not sparring with elite fighters, so he probably feels like Captain America in training camp.


    My definition of shot is no longer capable of competing. If you're better than 90% of the competition, you have plenty of people to compete with. Not every fight has to be to prove who the best in the division is. Jones doesn't belong in the ring with Chad Dawson based on any recent performance. If Jones wants to fight Daniel Judah, I say have at it.

    I'm really more worried about Shane Mosley continuing than I am Roy Jones. Mosley is still an elite fighter, while Jones isn't, but Mosley's slurred speech concerns me. Jones still sounds fine.
     
  12. lefthook31

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    He didnt belong in the ring with Danny Green, hes definitely not better than 90% of the competition.
    Jones cant adapt a different style, he always did things so unorthodox, and his ability to take and throw punches is severely depleted. You can be physically shot just as much as you can be mentally shot or both. Jones is 100% physically shot! He couldnt beat Daniel Judah right now and fighting a guy like Judah for him is worthless, it has not meaning. He just needs to retire and enjoy his life.
     
  13. horst

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    Do you know what 'bitter' means? How could I be bitter? Was I meant to fight Hopkins and he ditched me to fight Jones?? What possible motivation could I have to be bitter about this fight? It makes no sense. In fact, it's almost (but not quite) as ludicrous as your assertion that Roy Jones isn't shot. Nothing could be as ludicrous as that. I will ask you again - have you been in a coma for the last six or seven years? That's the only reason I can come up with that could explain someone thinking a man knocked cold by Glen Johnson and spanked in a round by Danny Green isn't a ****ing cadaver.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    When was that ? :huh
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I agree with Rekcutnevets.

    Jones fights with Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, and Green were just to lure Hopkins into fighting him again. He's not been that far removed from his prime.