Classic James Toney stuff from 1993 haha

Chris would have beaten Toney as well at SMW

 

LOL. You keep on believing that buddy.

Toney would have stopped Benn, and outclassed Eubank over 12.

 

I agree he'd stop Benn, but no way he'd outclass Eubank. It would be a very close fight, and I think Eubank's movement would be key to offsetting Toney, hence I pick Chris to beat him.

 

He's intelligent and knowledgeable in his profession. :nut

Who could've predicted he was going to get embarrassed there?

 

:good

 

Thats the bottom line here. James Toneys 10 fight consecutive run whilst 168 champion is the worst consecutive run any reigning champion has ever faced in the modern day history of the sport

 

:rofl Eubank definately dropped the ball on that one.

 

Back in the late 80's the top British promoter was Mickey Duff, but that all changed when ****** came back after almost being killed by an unknown gunman. During his time away from the spotlight he had entered into a business deal with King, which basically made him the man on the British promoter scene. Not sure what the exact details were only that they were partners and co-promoted events like Eubank-Close, Bruno-Mccall and Benn-McClellan. Most British guys saw which way the wind was blowing and jumped onto the ****** bandwagon:Benn, Bruno,Collins. ****** also had promising up and coming guys like Hatton and Hamed.

It was because of Hamed that ****** and King would fall out. ****** did not believe that King was pushing Hamed's career in America and their partnership would end when Waaren tired to sue King. A mistake which would blow up in his face and he would lose millions.

I have never come across any article/interview with King showing any interest in Calzaghe. There is a very good chance that King would of contacted ****** about a match up between Calzaghe and Liles, because King tried to match Liles up with other ****** fighters like Benn, Collins and Woodhall.

 

Phyiscal attributes:
Power: Eubank
Handspeed: Toney
Reflexes: Toney

Technical attributes
Jab: Toney
Defense: Toney
Offense: Toney
Footwork: Toney
Eubank's footwork could be downright sloppy at times, which is why he got dropped by guys like Collins and Calzaghe

Skillset: Toney
Toney is basically a improved version of Eubank. A counter puncher, with better handspeed and defense
Style advantage: Toney
Toney has beaten guys better than Eubank like McCallum. Johnson and Nunn. Eubank never beat anyone half as good as Toney. He struggled greatly with guys like Close, Malinga and Thornton.

Blueprint fight: Toney vs Reggie Johnson

How the fight plays out:
Eubank's lateral movement won't really be a major factor in this fight because guys like Collinsx2, Thornton and Benn found him in the ring, so Toney would be able to find him also.

Two things will happen during the fight:

Eubank takes the lead:
Euabnk never looked good fighting off the front foot. A lot of the time he looked awkward and off balance. This would work to Toney's favor because he will exploit all of the openings that Eubank's flawed offense provides. Eubank really wont have much luck getting past Toney's defense and will get caught with counter right crosses/uppercuts.

Toney takes the lead:
Toney had much better handspeed and reflexes than Eubank. So its going to be hard for Eubank to find opening for counters. To be effective as a counter puncher you really need to have a speed advantage over your opponent, something which Eubank does not have in this h2h fight.

If Eubank cant even beat a limited fighter like Collins than there is no way he beats someone like Toney

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Thanks a lot for your great reply, I really appreciate it! Fascinating stuff once again.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Loudon, was the cherry picking thread deleted? Quality breakdown between Toney and Eubank.
Whats your opinion on prime Tyson v Lewis? Id like to know how you see that panning out.
Cheers mate.

 

I think it's still there Dino, I'll have a look. It was Zod who did the great breakdown. He's done lot's of them that are all great. I'm sure he'll oblige you when he has time.

My opinion on prime Tyson vs Lewis is,

I definitely think Mike would have caught him. I think a fit and focused Rooney trained Tyson would have got inside fairly early, gone to to the body and then taken him out. If it went past 6, I think Lewis would have taken a decision, but I think Mike would have got to him before then.

I'm sure Zod will do a more in depth analysis.

What's your opinion mate?

Thanks!

 

I dont see any a win for Lewis againt 85 to 88 Mike in any shape or form mate. There are many reasons why, but the main one for me is Lewis's footspeed against Mikes footspeed. Lewis didn't have the foot work to elude Mike into the late rounds.

Lewis was more top heavy and relied on his brute strenght and size opposed to Mike who was far more sturdy on his feet and generated power from his legs to plants his shots. Trade for trade i think Lewis is more at risk of being dropped.

On top of that, factor in blinding speed, knockout power, Tyson uppercuts, brutal bodywork and impenetrable defence, Lewis would need a miricle to get the win.

I know sCAFF is no Lewis, but how could to last 6 rounds or more of this!
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Mike wouldn't have made it into the last rounds

 

Toney would be able to find Eubank, but he wouldn't be able to hurt and vice versa. No a counter puncher doesn't always need a speed advantage - Holyfield was not faster than Tyson, yet he countered him all night. Toney wasn't that much quicker than Eubank - For instance Roy Jones would be too fast for Eubank to counter - Toney isn't.

I find it laughable that you mention Eubank's did struggle with Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe - but what do they have in common with James Toney? You also fail to mention Toney's fights with Thadzi, Griffin and Tiberi where he got beat. Seems you definitely have it out for Eubank :think

Anyways, I see similarities between Eubank and Griffin - and while Toney's fights with Griffin could have gone either way, over 24 rounds he struggled with him no doubt. Griffin was no better than Eubank, and I see Toney struggling here as well.

By the way, this fight would be at SMW - not MW where Toney was at his best