Classic perspectives on Joyce Zhang

Impressive: Hrgovic and he looked good when I saw him knockout Craig Lewis in person.

Quality opponent beaten: Dychko, Andy Ruiz, and Joseph Parker.

Now tell me what Ibeabuchi did before beating Tua.

 

- Hrgovic was a 14 fight prospect and zhang lost to him
- Craig Lewis was nobody and an old nobody at that.
- zhang never Andy Ruiz, Dycho or Parker. Not sure what post you’re responding to?
- who said anything about ibeabuchi ? Who incidentally beat two solid undefeated contenders in their primes

 

Zhang did beat Ruiz, Dychko, and Parker. Hrgovic has a bronze from the Olympics and was a fringe top ten contender heading into the Zhang fight. Zhang was top twenty before fighting Joyce and is now top ten, because he's a good fighter and not because Joyce can't fight.

You throw around the word "prospect" like it's derogatory.

Ike, on the other hand, was not a world class am like Zhang and Hrgovic, and had done nothing in the pros, but he still beat Tua and Tua doesn't get a lot of **** for that.

 

If you’re saying zhang beat those guys in the amateurs that hardly holds any relevance to his current state in the heavyweight division in the pros. Henry Tillman was an Olympic gold medalist who beat mike Tyson in the amateurs . What did he do as a pro ? ****crickets*** Ike ibeabuchi never lost in the ring and was beating undefeated prime contenders at an early stage in his career. Point being the heavyweight division is in decline and has been for a while and it’s partly because of some of these guys spending too much time in the amateurs and not turning pro until an advanced age. What’s wrong with that view ? Why create arguments where there are none ?

 

Tillman was a blown up cruiserweight who lacked the am credentials of superheavies Zhang and Hrgovic. It's no surprise that he wasn't of their caliber as a pro.

As for Joyce, he didn't waste time in the ams. He started boxing late and had a short but very successful am career.

Go watch Zhang fight Hrgovic. I know you didn't.

 

LOL it looks so desperate to go to the amateurs in order to build an argument in a pro scenario.

I am still convinced that many supporters of modern HWs don't actually watch the fights. If anyone can watch that performance from Zhang and start talking about how highly skilled he is, then I really don't know what to say. He looked like crap & Joyce looked worse than crap'

 

In your opinion, does the fact that a 40 year old Povetkin brutally KOd #1 contender Whyte, along with a 40 year old Zheng beating top contender Joyce, indicate a somewhat weak era? I hope that wasn't a loaded question.

 

And I’m not going to. Because it does nothing for this discussion and nor is it giving you any ground. Believe whatever you want just as long as you know you’re wrong

 

They don't. People like White Bomber, NoNeck, Reckless, and several guys in the general forum simply look at the tale of the tape, the record, and the date of birth for a lot of these boxers. Sometimes its obvious they've only seen 1-2 highlight clips (if they watched anything at all) and then make bold claims and strange arguments.

You would think they would support guys like Usyk who are actually highly skilled and would fit in any era, but they're obsessed with size. That's why they have to do damage control in threads like these whenever a big guy they hyped up loses. I remember when the legendary Adam Kownacki was considered a h2h monster who'd brutally KO several past champions.

 

Either that or they never saw a fight before 2008. And yeah using the amateurs to tout the greatness of a fighter at the pro level is sort of like saying “ well if Teofilio Stevenson had turned pro he definitely would have been heavyweight champ. “

 

yep. Until he lost to the Viking version of Zhilei Zhang

 

Exactly. You're whining about current heavyweights without even...wait for it...watching them fight. That was my point.

 

You completely invented this. Nobody has anything negative to say about Usyk (beyond PED suspicions).

P.S. keep my name out of your mouth

 

Classic irritated "LOL." Zhang is obviously one of the most skilled guys to ever fight at that size.