Classic Poll : Wlad v.s. Louis ...

he, correct on the young Joe Louis. He had a quick muscularity,as witnessed in the Max Baer fight.Yes a good jabber could keep him at bay
for awhile,but ala Billy Conn,they had to move FAST at the same time also. But the young prime Louis with his SHORT leveraged deadly combinations,
would have gotten eventually inside Wlad's comfort zone and flatten Wlad
for sure ...Cheers...

 

Wlad could conceivably present problems right up to the time that Louis landed a good one on that chin. Wlad's problems would be rooted in the plain fact that Louis will eventually get to him and "one" would be followed by about three more.

Louis would come in very well-conditioned and with combinations on his mind -two rare things for modern HW contenders. And Louis under fire never panics. Wlad can be counted on to do exactly that.

 

I agree with that. We are not in the general here though and most people on here know to put him in the right context.

Was a big fan of Ruslan in the mid 00s - Chagaev-Brewster in 06 would have been a great one - and yes, that was my point. Chagaev was a natural counterpuncher, not a pressure fighter. You can´t expect him to alter his style completly and be as good, it´s not him anymore. That would be like making a boxer out of Tyson. Doesn´t work. He tried and clearly couldn´t. Additional to the size and class advantage, Wlad had also a style advantage over Chagaev. No chance for him in that one, same is true for his other best opponents, Ibragimov, Haye, Chambers. They all are naturally counterpunchers. Wlad just crushes these kind of fighters.

Indeed.

But see, that´s my point. Why are you faulting Wlad´s opponents then? They are doing what they can, they just are at a size, class and style disadvantage against Wlad. Too much to overcome. Ali would be too but Ali is in another class compared to Wlad, that´s why he´d stop him late.

I agree here.

Wlad is a better boxer than Lewis, or Bowe or Vitali. None of them beats him in a boxing match. But like Stoney said, he´s not a fighter, he is a sportsman. Bring on the heat and he´ll lose - at least when you´re good enough, Peter tried and failed. But out of those four only Lewis would be willing and able to force Wlad into a fight. Bowe would be willign but I don´t think he´d be able to and Vitali would be able to but not willing. Vitali is a boxer, everytime he ended up in a fight he was forced into one, he never forced it himself. Against Wlad he wouldn´t either, he would stick to boxing and get a beating and stopped late.

 

I Max Baer was scared of Louis, so´d be Wlad. He would be psyched out before the fight IMO.

 

I see you are side steeping the fact that Louis in fact has a losing record vs. the best five men he fought if you correctly give Walcott the first decision that he was denied. Jeffries only lost once to a fighter most here rank higher than anyone Louis fought, and he was way past his prime, not having fought in five years. There is your difference.

Well, in a time line when someone like Galento could be ranked #1 or #2, how good are the other 20 contenders in the decade? In Louis' world championship fights, Louis fought 16 men who had 9 losses or more. Many of them like Roper, McCoy, Burman, Durazio, and Musto had no business receiving title shots! There were no mandatories back then. Louis management picked the title opponents, and some say avoided the best black contenders pre 1947. Louis fought guys who could actually fight back you say? Maybe this has to do with the fact that Wlad is better at controlling the action giving his opponents limited chances to fight back, and is much harder to hit. Put Wlad in there with Cruiser weights that belonged to the bum of the month club, and equip him with 6 or 8 oz gloves and tragedy can happen.

 

Wlad has the same punchers chance Louis has, and is likely to land his jab and hard stuff first. Louis who was floored and stunned by sub 200 pound guys not always known for power has a suspect chin too. Louis is lucky most of the good boxers he fought were not punchers. His defense is a bad combination of a low guard, stick your face forward, and limited head movement / lateral ability.

In many fights, Louis is painfully slow to adjust. He let Godoy out punch him two to one, out work and maul him in their first fight, having no clue how to solve the style. I dare anyone here to score it.

Louis never could catch up to Walcott or Conn, it was Walcott and Conn who foolishly traded with Louis while up on the cards. Schemling, who does not hit as hard as Wlad, had Louis reeling and lacking normal balance after the first right hand that produced a knockdown.

Now, I think its safe to say Wlad is not going to trade with Louis if he's up on points at the end of the fight, and hits harder plus has way more range than the above fighters. When was the last time you saw Wlad hit by a combination? I thought so. He could easily clap down and clinch Louis if he needed to and spends no time on the ropes.

 

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letting a swarmer out work you and two smaller, and in one case much fresher, faster boxer-type opponent outspeed you?

indeed, joe louis was ****

edit: Louis with the suspect chin despite facing 3 decades full of some of the hardest hitting hw opposition big and small sharp punching and slow clubbing, primo as good of a puncher as joe, louis with the bad defence etc etc.

holy ****, this is what fanboyism does to people? I might as well just post videos of wlad crawling on the ground after getting hammered down by some fat south african golfer

 

Fantastic post, but what else would i expect from you. Wlad is lucky to be thriving in one of the weakest timeframes of any division ever. The guys physicality has gotten him home for eons.

 

Now ain't the name "JohnThomas" a welcome site! I haven't seen you out here for too long and hope that you're back posting -at least when I'm out here!

 

I'll try to stay a bit active for sure. I definately have a couple of agenda driven threads to peruse lolol

 

I would have to go with Louis, by brutal kayo. The fight would end by the middle rounds if Louis is able to pierce Vlad's guard consistently. If Vlad plays it safe, and is effective at using his jab to keep Louis at bay, then the fight ends later, probably between the tenth and 12th. Either way, Louis wins.

Nonetheless, I give Klitschko credit. Vlad would seriously trouble Louis, and maybe drop him once or twice before the end. I could see Vlad's long right cross connecting. Ultimately, though, Louis simply has too much talent, speed, power, and killer instinct to lose to Vlad.

 

Agreed

Don't mean for it to look that way. I'm faulting the climate for being weak, and insufficient in providing fighters that really could even try to deal with Wlad. If I were to fault anywone it would be Haye. He talked like he knew he had to adjust and take risks and he didn't. I saw moments where Wlad was in vulnerable positions, But Haye didn't take the risk and wouldn't press because that's uncomfortable for him. I understand, and I gave Haye a limited chance. But he understood things, and did somethings well to a point where if he actually dared he could've won. That's a bit of a shame. But I guess bad tactics plus a limited skill-set won't get it done.

The only point to that specific example is it doesn't take a fantasy fight to actually beat Wlad.

Well said. A true sportsman. Haye words pre-fight about Lewis roughing Wlad up and having the style to make him fight and win 9/10 was spot on I thought. Shame his understanding couldn't translate into daring himself to do more.

 

You missed your favorite Greg Page threads a few weeks ago. Missed the agenda's then.