Classic Poll : Wlad v.s. Louis ...

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  1. McGrain

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    I didn't say five years because he needs five years - rather because after five years it would be inarguable. The tipping point might come before that.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, I figured that. :good

    One half of me wants Wlad to do that, because I think he's not quite getting the credit he deserves for his reign.
    The other half of me can't bear the thought of two, three, never mind five more years of tedious Wlad title fights.

    (having said that, most the other HWs of the last 10 years - the also-rans - have been equally boring, some worse)
     
  3. McGrain

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    I enjoy watching Wlad fight - I wouldn't object to his dominating that long at all.

    I wouldn't mind Vitali getting beat/packing it in.
     
  4. janitor

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    I realy don't think it will take five years.

    The fact that you are even talking about him dominating for another five years speaks for itself.

    Not many champions are predicted to do so at their hiatus, even overzealously.
     
  5. Muchmoore

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    :lol:
     
  6. Muchmoore

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    It's going to be a shame when Wlad finally retires or bites the dist because the division is probably going to be ridiculous with all the talent coming up.
    He's already pretty clearly lost a step,compare the Haye fight to the Byrd rematch for proof of it. That Klitschko would have given Haye a nice dirt nap :lol:
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I don't mind watching him, but all his fights end up very much the same. There's not much meshing of styles, he tends to nullify the other guy so well to render the opposing style almost empty. What he's going to look like winning is way too predictable.
    I probably prefer him to Lewis though, aesthetically.

    Adamek might have a chance, Vitali is a tall order though (pun acknowledged).
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Actually there is good young professional talent on the way up. Helenius, Glaskov,and Pulev in my opnion are all top ten level talents.

    The super heavy and heavy division is the amateurs is loaded with young talent. The division will be more competive by 2016 after Klitschko retires.
     
  9. Muchmoore

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    Yeah I know, it's a shame he's going to be old for these guys.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    I think you might have a lot less footage than I have on Louis vs. Walcott 1. What rounds do you have? And its funny you don't mention Louis body language looking lie a big loser before the decision, and the crowds thunderous boo's after the decision was announced his arena. Things like this tell me you might be lacking footage.

    Louis was in fact down on points in the second fight. Walcott made a dumb decision to stand and trade.

    I made a mental recall error on the Buddy Bear fight, and admitted it when the footage was posted. Buddy Bear knocked Louis into the ropes, the back flip was the mistake. However Louis had to step through the ropes to re-enter the ring correct?
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    I don't know what the dispute is about, or who claimed what or whatever, but I'd say Baer knocked Louis through the ropes ...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNYTX8jLebE[/ame]

    4:43
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Likewise critics who fail to acknowledge the other side of the coin in evaluating / writing about a fighter often reveal their own rooting interests. You still think its mostly Wlad's size. Ok, then tyson Fury is going to be great, right?

    This is when a well informed fan can step in and point out what your missing as I just did without a rebuttal.
     
  13. McGrain

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    The thing is, I think his chin is pretty suspect. He panics when he's not in full control. Meanwhile he's incredible at what he does, and I admire and enjoy that.


    I have highlights of 11 rounds. We've also been through this before, and you do not have the appearance of having more minutes than me (though I had to decline your kind invitation to put my dvd on and time them, then take your word for what you had.

    Louis looked like a loser at the bell. He also looked like a man who thought he had underperformed and knew the party was over. Both explanations are over-zealously offered up by posters such as yourself. Louis offered up the later of the two, for what little that is worth.

    Yeah, well i'd steer clear of the detective work perhaps given some of the claims you've made about Louis fights in the past.

    Seems like a lot of Louis opponents made that "decision".

    Yeah, and Johnson-Johnson was over 20 because your secret friend said so.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Mendoza posted that Louis had "done a backflip" over the top rope and that "only a miracle" saved him from being "knocked out on the concrete floor."
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    :lol:

    He's probably getting confused with Dempsey, who did a triple-back somersault from a Firpo punch and was out of the ring for at least 19 minutes, and was escorted back by his bodyguards who were shielding him from Harry Greb's verbal challenges.
    ....... Firpo was then replaced by a 110 pound blind bum off the streets (aka. Dempsey's finest sparring partner) who was paid to take a dive in round 2, whereupon Dempsey could relax for three years of Hollywood inactivity and KKK rallying.