Classic Poll : Wlad v.s. Louis ...

This content is protected

 

Actually the concrete floor thing rings a bell regarding Tom Sharkey, who was knocked out of the ring and landed on his head on concrete, against Choynski I think.
Or so I've heard ......
There was no miracle, mind you. Just one tough *******.

 

Pages and pages ago I said that my argument about what Wlad is and what Wlad isn't has been pretty clearly fleshed out. My posts have been getting redundant and you're pretty much impervious to reconsidering a point so I'm really not inclined to continue.

Debating you is like debating Joe Rockhead from the Flintstones. Feel free to change my mind.

I'd encourage you to refer back to one of about a dozen of my previous posts for any retorts.

 

He beat the man who eliminated Peter out of the title fight picture. What has Tua done during Wlad´s reign to be on that list? Valuev was involved in the WBA-struggle and apparently it was hard to get a fight with him, anyway, you have a point there even so Wlad beat two fighters who beat him. Povetkin was his mandatory and simply refused to fight him, imaging the number one contender ducking the champ Jones? One fight at hw, the year Wlad lost to Sanders. Quite a stretch. Ruiz was involved in the WBA thingy but yeah that would have been a contender available - on the other hand Wlad beat two fighters who beat him.

So, in the end the most credible challenger of that list he didn´t fight is Povetkin who doesn´t want to fight him but that fight still may come of. Povetkin-Chagaev first. I like that match-up. Actually this could be a good year for hw boxing when it comes to fights getting made. The champ, Wlad, versus the number 2, Haye, the number 1, Vitali, versus the number 2, Adamek and the number 4, Povetkin, against the number 5, Chagaev. We didn´t have that many fights of ranked hws in a year for quitw a while.

:thumbsup

I rank Wlad already highly. At 13. Perhaps too high but his consistency, dominance and loongevity go along way. I don´t consider him an ATG yet. He is just something missing, you can see it when you watch him fight. On the other hand I rank Dempsey or Sullivan behind him but IMO both are ATGs. It´s highly subjective of course and more based on intuition and a certainity when watching Dempsey-Willard or reading about Sullivan-Kilrain that I just know I see/read about a great fighter there. I don´t have that when watching any of Wlad´s fights.

And if only to **** Mendoza of

Yep, on the other hand we get fights between them which makes up a bit for that. Future looks good for the hw division. Still needs 2-3 years to get there though.

 

yeah i know it's hard to cope with it

 

Yeah, I accept that.
I tend to think of "Wlad's era" or "reign" as just the last 5 years though, since he won the IBF, began to unify and has been largely and increasingly recognized as champeen.
Many of those names sort of pre-date it. Still, your points stands - he might've missed one or two.

 

The WBO really isn't the top of the World, Lewis was the man than. I also understand what you are saying but at any rate:

Tua was coming off a loss to Byrd, who Wlad had just beat. So Byrd would still be his best scalp.

I would say in 2002, McCline was also the better scalp than Tua or at least on par.

McCline beat Briggs(former title challenger and future belt holder), Grant(still high ranked after Lewis fight), and Whitaker(top 10 after KOing Oleg); and was a potential Lewis opponent. Also should be noted McCline was rightuflly ranked above Oquendo and Tua by Ring Magazine in 2002.

 

Of Course. I might have exaggerated from memory many moons ago when I say it was a somersault over the ropes, but it was a backflip. As you said there is some luck involved as to not taking a fall out of an elevated ring.

McGain keeps bringing this crap up.

 

Picking an obscure reference from a 1960's cartoon as an insult doesn't help you make your point. I read what your wrote. Keep insulting people, you'll be the next Mike Katz minus the writing talent.