Classic's take on drug testing situation

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE, S.

Without a smoking gun, Money pays BIG TIME for slander, considering the damage to Pac's reputation (and potential lost income). The law's clear: Hurt someone in his 'profession, trade or calling' and you pony-up and make a public retraction.

 

What has Mayweather Jr himself said thats slanderous? Guess what, Senior and Junior are not 1 and the same. FMJ asking fro drugs testing is not slander

 

Without properly investigating you cant get proof, Manny isn't letting anyone properly investigate him, so the truth is unknown

 

This is a first for me, but I actually side with Mayweather on this issue. First of all, the "fear of needles" thing from a guy with tatoos is laughable and suspicious. Secondly, if you have nothing to hide just take the tests. Finally, I don't personally care if it's slander. This is something that could overall benefit the sport long term.

 

me too and i think to put it dplomatically, that MayweATHER AND FAMILY ARE a bunch of big hairy pussies. :fire

 

But this is putting the cart before the horse. He is already being investigated every fight by the standard criteria of his profession and the same criteria of his professional contemporaries. You simply can not make such damaging accusations without proof. Unless they have a smoking gun they can legally reveal, they will be paying.

 

The standard of drugs tests is pre=historic in boxing, we know countless boxers who have taken PEDs and escaped detection, not to mention the commision is highly corrupt and will hush up a star testing positive if a relationship with a promoter is good.

Saying Pac is a clean fighter is like saying an untested fighter is clean, we just dont know

 

I actually agree with this. I'm shocked classic is taking Floyd's side. Nobody is really in the wrong. Their just working out the demands and negotiations. It's part hype, too. But I don't think Manny should take a test and should re-structure the whole drug testing for this fight just because of Floyd and has father intuition. I don't buy the viability of the suing Pac is doing, though. And I don't like him for trying that as I think that hurts the fights chance even more.

At the same time, I do understand some peoples suspicion I suppose. The whole "Afraid of needles" seems like a BS response by Arum. Manny has tattoos - not wanting blood taken close from the fight is reasonable. However, the test if done should be done randomly (Although not randomly 1 day before the test).

The bottom line is that Manny doesn't need to agree and shouldn't be forced to do something based on no evidence and a few people's opinion. But if the fights to be made, some compromise must arise.

 

I can think of some historic fighters who would surely have been acused of roiding if roids had existed back then:

Barbados Joe Walcott.

Sam Langford

Mickey Walker

Harry Greb

 

NAW!!!! Poor choices......... I agree these dudes were muscular for being ancient, and I know "Roids" were NOT used in the fight game prior to at least the 1960s....... BUT!!! None of the above mentioned names listed made RADICAL weight swings like Manolo Pacquiao has done without displaying pudge / fat of some form.............. Manolo Pacquiao has gone from 112 to 145 pounds over the last decade and has shown NO pudge / fat whatsoever......... Hmmmmmm.... I ain't buying that crap......... Something stinks like rotten fish here...........

MR.BILLyikesadmin:rasta

 

I dont believe Floyd Jr accused Manny of anything.

Adding a blood test to a contract is no worse than adding a 10 million dollar penalty for each pound overweight. Had Manny agreed the issue would have been squashed.

Its Manny's refusal to comply which is whats making this thing take on a life of its own.

Things have only gotten worse with all these doctors stating a small tube of blood would do no harm physically to either fighter and both blood and urine is necessary to get a correct result.

Seems little Mayweather is smarter than most give him credit for. Hes succeeded in his psychological assault on Mr P's character.

 

I think the weight thing is overblown.

Pacquiao was 16 years old when he fought at 106 lbs, in 1995. Back in 1994, when Mayweather was a 17 year old amateur, he fought at 114. Pacquiao was 20 when he won his first world title at 112 in 1998, looked weight-drained when he lost the title to Singsurat, and jumped three divisions to 122 after that. Eleven years later after winning his first world title at 112, he's fighting at WW, 35 lbs. above flyweight. Mayweather moved up a similar amount of weight in a similar time frame. In an eleven year period from 1994 to 2005, from ages 17 to 28, Mayweather went from fighting at 114 to 147, a 33 pound increase. He's always looked shredded and cut with no visible fat either.

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He was less of a weight cutter too, he barely weighed more unofficially on fight night for his welterweight bouts against Judah and Baldomir than Pacquiao did for his final fights at 130.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Pacquiao were on something, but I don't really attribute that suspicion to his increase in weight. It's just because of the nature of pro sports, and boxing's not really strict with testing anyway. I'm always open to the possibiiity that a good number of athletes are on some illegal PED, and think it's naive to really be surprised when an athlete gets caught for using.

 

I understand growth.......... I do........ BUT!!! M.P. is / has been applying lotsa' added muscle / weight to his frame since 2006....... TOO MUCH to be purely natural..... Cheers...

MR.BILL

 

No, that's just not true. But you're entitled to think or be suspicious. But outright lies like this is how the hysteria got overblown/created to begin with.

 

It's really not that weird. Gaining weight when you weigh 112 pounds isn't exactly hard to do, just actually eat...