Clenelos record isn't as impressive as fanboys think it is

Canelo isn't impressive point blank period

Plant made him look like a one dimensional plodder with a little footwork. Just didn't have any output to make it a fight. He came to lose on points.

If Bivol accepts a points defeat going into survival mode because of a few bad rounds he should retire also.

 

And yet, it's not skill alone that determines anyone's P4P lists anymore. Good try...

 

Isn't that interesting though. So it used to be all about skill, historically, but over time it "changed"? How'd it change?

 

Great resume if he beats Bivol. A few years ago nobody thought Canelo would ever step in the ring with Bivol. Now he hardly gets credit for taking on the challenge and will get even less credit if he wins. But beating Bivol would be a huge accomplishment.

 

Yup, fans are fickle, especially in regards to Canelo, always moving the goalposts on him. But fan sentiment only goes so far, at the end of the day this is the biggest and most difficult match for Canelo since GGG, and that's something to be hyped about.

 

Don't know why Canelo gets flack for using PEDs.

Pretty much all top athletes use PEDs. You're naive if you think otherwise.

I thought we had all just accepted that top athletes using PEDs was an open secret.

 

Let me add that he was stiffed out and stunned by a single shot from the Welterweight too.

 

Mentalist

 

Canelo is a manufactured fighter just like Floyd, except Canelo can at least FIGHT!!! The dark clouds will forever hang over both. What would they have accomplished without the "help" of the Commission, USADA, Vegas boxing & their suspicious officials ?? Not half what their lemming like fans claim.
Yos Bivol may well win the fight but he sure as heck will not get the decision

 

Nothing's changed. Like I said, what's the criteria? No one agrees on any, so any list is just fanboy fiction.

 

you should stick to chicks "boxing", tbh.

 

https://www.sportslingo.com/sports-glossary/p/pound-for-pound/

The term pound for pound refers to how good a boxer or MMA fighter is based on their overall skill, not their weight class.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/boxing-pound-pound-rankings-180004631.html

The criteria for the list: Who would win a fight if everyone weighed the same and all of their skills and physical attributes were proportional.

https://www.linealboxingchampion.co...t-does-the-term-pound-for-pound-actually-mean

Traditionally, this was how the term was generally applied. Visualise two fighters being the same weight, and based on talent and skill which boxer would be victorious?


In the traditional sense, it's a measure of one's talent and skill. How you rate and compare a boxer's attributes to other boxer's attributes independent of their weight. If that criteria has changed, and it's become "fanboy fiction" then the problem is that it's deviated from what it's supposed to be about.

This is something that I've noticed over time and on many occasions tried to bring it back to what it's supposed to be about : a measure of skill, talent, with a focus on recent performances. Many "fanboys" if you will try to make it more about resume, which is important to judge how a fighter performs against a high level of opposition, or even results (judges decisions) but that isn't the basis of what it's supposed to be about. It's mainly about how you rate a boxer's skill set, talent and effectiveness as a fighter, their capabilities, their versatility, their mentality, their ability to have success against different styles.

So in conclusion, Pound for pound ratings aren't fact based, but at its core, it's supposed to be a list of who has the best skills, talent, and boxing attributes, who is more capable and effective as a fighter. Experience, resume, results, records all play into that, but that's not what it should be based upon. Traditionally, it's a rating of who fans and boxing aficionados rate in terms of skill and talent, anotherwords who are the best boxers in the world independent of weight. Taking weight and size out of it, so rating the best boxers on a "per pound" basis.