Cleveland Big Cat Williams 1960 vs Jerry Quarry 1969, who wins?

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  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Be real• Full Member

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    I think this is a very close- Though I do think Jerry edges it only just.
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Although Cleveland Big Cat Williams was talented in his era, going against the likes of Sonny Liston and Ernie Terrell before he was fatally shot by a Texas State Trooper in Nov 1964, as he was on the verge of fighting Ernie for the vacant WBA title on March 5 1965. And later fighting and being stopped by a peak champion Muhammad Ali in Nov 1966. I think that after a competitive battle between the two Jerry Quarry emerges victorious at the very end, this fight resembles the 1968 bout against Thad Spencer. Jerry by TKO 12. Although Williams was very strong and could hit, Jerry was a better counterpuncher to the body, which could wear the Big Cat down for the win.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if he was fatally shot in 64 how did he fight in 66? I don’t think this word fatally means what you think it does.
     
  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was pretty bad, the shooting almost ended his life, from what I understand he died on the operating table but was resuscitated. He lost a lot of weight when he returned. Then had to regain his weight to fight Ali in 1966, but he was not the same as before he was wounded, that is what I meant to say.
     
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  5. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Don't go there, he will give us the date of the operation and every single date related to everything connected with it.
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He died 6 times on the operating table, suffered partial permanent paralysis, lost 10 feet of his small intestine, and his right kidney had to be removed. He also "lost enough blood to kill half a dozen men".
     
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  7. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was very bad, to his credit coming back as he did to fight Muhammad Ali took a lot of moxie, most men could not come back to the ring after such a devastating wound.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    You'd have to favor Quarry. He's underrated and the guy could fight. I think he'd wear big Cleve down somewhere approaching the 30 minute mark.
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Another good one Richard.
    I'm leaning towards Quarry in a tough one, and I don't see it being a one sided fight. Quarry tough s it out to stop William in 9.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Say what you want about The Big Cat but he didn't know the meaning of the word fear. Fighting a peak Liston twice when nobody wanted to fight him once, especially after being ko'd in the manner he was, took some balls.
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, he was quite a man and fighter. I have only good things to say about him.
     
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  12. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Active Member Full Member

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    Mmmm, so Jerry faced with a big HW that can punch ( that's not called Ali or Frazier ) pretty good idea how that would go.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Quarry has beaten bigger and better. Williams always has a punchers chance but he isn’t taking this one.
     
  14. William Walker

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    It does. It's really a pretty unbelievable story. Wikipedia can describe the injury better than I can:

    "...hitting Williams in the stomach and lodging in his right hip. Williams had to undergo four operations in the next seven months for colon damage and an injured right kidney. The right kidney had to be removed in June 1965. Doctors could not extract the bullet, which had broken his right hip joint and caused partial paralysis of some of the hip's muscles, he also lost over 10 feet (3.0 m) of his
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    which affected his left leg above the knee and caused it to atrophy as a result."

    I once read that the doctors who operated on Williams said that if he hadn't been so heavily muscled that he wouldn't have survived all of the surgeries.

    Anyway, his record shows a return to the ring in '66. Hell, he fought Ali and fought for another 6 years. Unbelievable but true.
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thanks for all of this info that I have known for 30 odd years lol. But fatally?

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