Cleveland Big Cat Williams gets a title shot on Sept 26 1962 instead of Sonny Liston.

I stated a fact. If you think that fact negatively reflects on Williams then I would say the facts speak for themselves. You trying to conflate that into some strawman argument that you can then attempt to poke holes at because you are "cynical" and "none the wiser" doesnt really concern me.

 

Not that much when you have NO AMATEUR CAREER. Please don't twist my words.

Frazier had 40 amateur bouts by the time he turned pro, which is more than Williams had his entire life up to that point.

The definition of protest is as follows "a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something" so to answer your question. People who disagreed with the official scorecard (as per your own thread) include myself, JT1, Luf, Bokaj, and ETM. SuzieQ49 also scored it for Williams. As did, judge Pantaleo, and the AP.

It was by definition controversial.

Now please answer the question you've been avoiding. Who did better against Terrell? Williams or Chuvalo?

 

1. "Powell defeated Nino Valdes who was rated #2 at the time. Williams never defeated anyone as good as Valdes was when Powell fought him and never defeated anyone rated as highly as #2."

Valdez was 244 when he fought Powell. A career high weight. Arounds 30 pounds above what he usually came in, and described as fat, sluggish, and lethargic.

2. I never once argued Williams was robbed against Machen, another one of your many lies. I would not be able to do so since I have never seen the film.

 

How was Jones out of shape? Daniels was the one who accepted the bout on a 2 day notice.

Funny you should say that, because along with the crowd and the AP. Jones himself and his manager didn't think they won the first fight, and even went as far as saying the judge's scorecard should've gone for Daniels. Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/100456875/the-record/

 

Excellent post! Their was also an article of Tyson before the Douglas bout, and while they did favor him, they'd also acknowledged he was going off the rails and needed to get hid **** together.

 

Here you go! This was about 4 days before the bout. Headline reads "Tyson on a self-destructive path" and in the article Rooney, his former manager mentions how he's not even remotely interested and slowly slipping.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/100459418/edmonton-journal/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/100459770/edmonton-journal/

 

I know exactly the feeling mate

Sometimes you just feel the need to get the bit between one's teeth. It's good you did.

 

Exactly. Everyone's got an excuse after the fact but concerns prior are much more reliable.

 

The signs were certainly there.

 

Tyson was winning fights while there was concerns about him though. The Tucker fight Tyson went awol during camp. Took two weeks off to party and insisting the fight was off but Jimmy jacobs talked him back into training. Tyson came in heavy but he still won.

 

Yes he was but he came to the point where he wasn't.

Tyson was a 1/4 of a pound lighter than he was against Berbick when winning the title in rampant fashion Do you think he wasn't in shape against Berbick? He also went a solid 12 against Tucker and wasn't overly fatigued to say the least.

 

If I didn't have proof Williams was injured before his bout with Terrell, Kompton and Chok would've called me a massive fanboy and accused me making excuses for him. I would've been the laughingstock of the forum.

 

Proof is a big stick.

And i am at a loss to understand how anyone could possibly call you a fanboy

 

I'm at a loss myself!

One of the biggest mysteries in the history of ESB. Up there with the whole Morlocks passing away saga!

 

And redrooster dying in a bar fight.