Cleveland Williams in the 1930s

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    If it was already a fix, it seems unnecessary to crush the poor guy's toes as well.
     
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  2. choklab

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    It was much larger percentage of Fraziers record was made up of name fighters than Williams was. Williams would be hard pushed to get a single win against anyone Frazier fought from 1968 to 1976.

    i doubt Frazier could possibly lose to anyone Williams ever fought. He did beat Ali after all.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You doubt Frazier could possibly lose to Ali or Liston? Seriously?

    I’m not sure you’re aware but Frazier went 1-2 against Ali.
     
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  4. choklab

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    He beat Ali first time around though. Liston is 50-50as well.
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    That's not the point he still LOST to him which makes your claim that Frazier couldn't possibly lose to anyone Williams fought untrue.

    Frazier and Liston being 50-50 in your opinion is also not consistent with that claim. If Frazier is 50-50 with Liston, it's very possible he loses.
     
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  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Frazier is a much higher level than Williams. And That’s a slam dunk.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    What does that have to do with anything?

    Does it make your laughable claim any less laughable or wrong?
     
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  8. choklab

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    Sonny has a chance against Frazier. I’ll give you that. But Williams has not a prayer against Frazier or much of his opposition.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    He phones a different ape if you beat him too hard over “name fighters” though, that ape tells him who the “championship level” fighters are. When you beat him about that he phones the “elite contenders” ape. See, championship level fighters aren’t actually fighters who fight for championships. Who knew!
     
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  10. FastLeft

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    he might do like something 'Joe Louis bum club " fighters. a short quick challenge. could do possible winning with Ampling Alp Carnera or old crying Gob Sharkey who did loser to giant Italian ' after all'''
    possible

    I doubt he can win with Schmeling or Maxie Clown Prince Baer they break him up & knock him
     
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  11. FastLeft

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    Cinderella Man was 1930 decade also. could lose or win
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    Well if the poor guy could still feasibly get a knock-out, I'd want to reduce his chances of getting one anyway I can.
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

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    Which again has nothing to do with your original claim, which was undisputedly false.
     
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  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    My opinion is my opinion. An opinion that Williams would be “hard pushed” to get a win against any of the guys Frazier fought after 1968 is not so outlandish. And neither is it wrong to think Frazier beats Ali and Liston and all the guys Williams ever fought. He did beat Ali and Ali beat Liston.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Feel free to answer the actual question as it won't take long.

    Liston would mash Frazier for mine but that's for another thread.

    Keen for these names.
     
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