Cleveland Williams in the 1930s

You doubt Frazier could possibly lose to Ali or Liston? Seriously?

I’m not sure you’re aware but Frazier went 1-2 against Ali.

 

He beat Ali first time around though. Liston is 50-50as well.

 

That's not the point he still LOST to him which makes your claim that Frazier couldn't possibly lose to anyone Williams fought untrue.

Frazier and Liston being 50-50 in your opinion is also not consistent with that claim. If Frazier is 50-50 with Liston, it's very possible he loses.

 

Frazier is a much higher level than Williams. And That’s a slam dunk.

 

What does that have to do with anything?

Does it make your laughable claim any less laughable or wrong?

 

Sonny has a chance against Frazier. I’ll give you that. But Williams has not a prayer against Frazier or much of his opposition.

 

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I doubt he can win with Schmeling or Maxie Clown Prince Baer they break him up & knock him

 

Cinderella Man was 1930 decade also. could lose or win

 

Well if the poor guy could still feasibly get a knock-out, I'd want to reduce his chances of getting one anyway I can.

 

Which again has nothing to do with your original claim, which was undisputedly false.

 

My opinion is my opinion. An opinion that Williams would be “hard pushed” to get a win against any of the guys Frazier fought after 1968 is not so outlandish. And neither is it wrong to think Frazier beats Ali and Liston and all the guys Williams ever fought. He did beat Ali and Ali beat Liston.

 

Feel free to answer the actual question as it won't take long.

Liston would mash Frazier for mine but that's for another thread.

Keen for these names.

 

It may not even be that credible.

 

Frazier is not losing to any of these guys:


Terrell

Machen

Satterfeild

Chuvalo

Mac Foster

Al Blue Lewis

Al Jones

Bob Cleroux

Roger Rischer

Billy Daniels

Alex Miteff

Terry Daniels

And he sure as hell isn’t losing to these guys:

Baby Booze
Graveyard Walters
Candy McDaniels
Roosevelt Holmes
Claud Rolfe
Clifford Gaye
Jimmy Willy
Mosses Harrell
Mike Bruce
Kirck Barrow.



but he could have trouble with Liston. Though I would favour Frazier.

Frazier did have trouble with Ali who he still beat first time around.