Cleveland Williams in the 1930s

You are running away from the question and damn fast at that.

You thought you had Williams on the rack but it turns out you didn't.

Let me give you a leg up.

You said Williams fought 27 decent opponents who were name fighters.

Looking at Frazier's record we can strike off his first 10 opponents.

We should scrap Johnson as well being 11-16-3 at the time they fought.

I'll give benefit of the doubt on others.

So that takes us back to 26 for Joe.

 

Oh I see. You got 26 name opponents from 37 fights for Frazier? Where as Williams only has 27 of 94?

And out of them only Ali and Foreman beat Frazier from 26 fights?

whereas your Guy Williams he got decked 12 times against the best 13 guys he ever fought.

And his 27 fights landed Williams 11 defeats.

So what you are saying is Williams had almost 7 times the easy fights that Frazier had and he lost about 5 times as many times within a similar number of good opponents?

 

Well you made a big fuss out of pouring thru Cleves record and telling us he only fought 27 opponents worth a pinch.

We can make stats work for our agenda. We can even make it up as we go along.

For all intents and purposes Joe fought for 11 years. Cleveland fought for 21 years. Frazier fought to 32yo, Williams to almost 40yo. If Joe fought for another 10 years and jammed almost 60 extra fights into that period do you think his loss column would have aligned closer to Williams? What about if he got shot as well and almost died? Would that have an affect?

See how we can spew forth stats that are for most intents and purposes not overly meaningful?

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Saying you doubt Frazier could possibly lose to anyone Williams fought isn't an opinion. It's indisputably wrong. He lost to Ali twice, and you said he'd be 50-50 with Liston, which means he could very possibly lose to him.

 

nothing indisputably wrong in fantasy opinions.

yes Frazier has a 50-50 chance of making a clean sheet against Williams roster. It’s a glass half full situation isn’t it?
I recon Williams loses maybe 17 times to guys Frazier beat.

 

of course it is an opinion. Frazier beat Ali. After Ali there’s only really Sonny who might trouble a Prime Frazier. A good match up. I think in my opinion Joe wins. Therefore, who else is there that Frazier might lose to? Billy Daniels? Eddie Machen? George Chuvalo? Frazier already beat them! It leaves Terell and guys like miteff and young Jack Johnson. …Nothing to bother Joe at all.

 

You're nothing more than a troll. I'm not saying anyone on Williams' resume beats Joe (though Ali DID beat him and so would Liston imo). I'm just saying you're statement that Frazier can't possibly lose is false. You can backtrack or make as many strawman arguments or red herrings you want. Doesn't change the fact that your original post was undisputedly wrong.