Cleveland Williams in the 1930s

His right hand is literally on his hip like he’s doing a quasi tea pot dance.

 

I sense a thread topic.

 

I don’t think the Forum can handle it at the moment. I’d keep it holstered.

 

Fair enough.

In the meantime, you can see Tua sometimes doing the same thing with his right hand at his hip. But he's still appreciated. Standards are lower for heavies; especially when they oblige us by throwing our favorite punch.

 

Maybe they are, but we'll never know for sure. All we know is their were undeniablly shady circumstances leading up to a fight, and both participants in the bout.

Isn't who had the better career opinionated as well?

Also The Hall of fame standing is very relevant. If Carnera blew Williams out of the water in terms of career, he at least would've been good enough to make the hall of fame.

Herb Goldman has Williams at #22 greatest heavyweights of all time, while Carnera doesn't touch this list. Is this relevant enough for you or is it "irrelevant opinionated things" because it doesn't fit your agenda.

• The split decision in favor of Sharkey was controversial. After the decision was announced, Schmeling's manager, Joe Jacobs, shouted into the radio microphone, "We wuz robbed!"
• Edward J. Neal of the Associated Press wrote that "to a wide majority of the critics, it seemed that Schmeling had earned the right to retain his crown, even if not by any great margin."
• The fight was broadcast on radio by NBC. The announcer was Graham McNamee, and he was joined by Charles Francis Coe, author of numerous fight stories. Their description of the fight indicated that Schmeling had won by a wide margin. The New York State Athletic Commission was so upset with the broadcast that they barred all but "boxing experts" from broadcasting descriptions of future matches. The commission defined as boxing experts "sports writers, referees or judges."

Source: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Max_Schmeling_vs._Jack_Sharkey_(2nd_meeting)

His resume was thin at the time granted, but he'd given contender Wayne Bethea all he could handle in a fight many thought he won 2 years prior, and had defeated previously ranked Frankie Daniels. Within a year of his loss, he'd beat contenders (either future past or current) Amos Lincoln, Young Jack Johnson, and Williams himself. Do you honestly (if possible) think he improved that much within a span of a year after having turned pro 5 years prior?

You can make that argument for countless fighters, for example "who did Quarry beat when Machen got him?" is his win worthless as well?

It's 2022. Homophobic remarks have no place in this world. I'd report you, but I have absolutely no confidence in the mods, considering you're still here, and another member is allowed to make inappropriate pedophilic accusations and jokes with no consequences.

 

Why not ?
Williams is not a clumsy oaf like Baer and Carnera. He could use his reach and jab to keep Louis at bay and then clubber him when he comes close.

 

Sharkey and Schmelling are not as good as the top guys Williams had to contend in the late 50s -and in the 60s.
And Williams is not a lumbering clumsy oaf, like Baer and Carnera.

 

It is a given, the boxers from the 30s are inferior

 

Cause he knows I am right, yet can't come to terms with reality.

 

Okay. Sure who knows, but it stands. He took the title from an ATG who beat an ATG or are we gonna spend 200 pages arguing about the circumstance of one fight? Especially when there is film of a brutal KO. We aren't going in a circle, Using Ring Mags and fickle historians and popularity contests as validation for this. It's very flawed. Especially talking about Saint Preem whom suffered a lot of slander.

Lets go with what we do know. He the great one beat ATG HW Sharkey by brutal KO who beat a legit ATG HW in Max. Tommy Loughran an ATG coming off a win on Sharkey, then there is Schaff, and other contenders. Then you have Williams! Ernie, he might have beat a contender who was nothing special was he even ranked? a gate keeper at that point a guy who lost 3/4 other fights that year with his sole win being over a guy with a 6-22 record. Ernie was five years into the game. Yeah, it is what it is.

You can call Schemling-Shakrey a robbery. A win over Jack is still worth more then a guy who was having his first proper step up. "Near prime" look if you gave him "Prime" Terrell it wouldn't make a difference. All those past and future contenders you mention good grief. Murderers row line up. Tell me how where they doing in recent times when Williams beat them, also what where there best wins at the time of the fight that is in recent times to when it happened?

About homophobic remarks don't try to play that card lol. How did I know you'd go down that route? You need to harden up bud you sound like a bit of a snowflake, especially over such a tame insult. I also idolize Emile Griffith. God sake.

Edit:Terrible wording like usual lol.

 

I have to agree, there is no comparison between Carnera and Williams in terms of resume and accomplishements. Primo blows him out in this aspect.

Maybe Williams would be able to beat Carnera due to styles, but it's not a given either. I don't give him much chances against Sharkey though.

 

You are probably the worst poster in this forum. You bring absolutely no value to any discussion. You can't back up your claims with any rational argumentation. Anything more than "Williams mops the floor with Sharkey" is too much for your limited brain.

No, I don't care about your opinion. Don't worry

 

There was nothing shady about this bout, other than Primo's undeserved reputation. We have no strong evidence of Carnera fights being fixed at world level. He had some fishy moments early in his career, but I haven't seen any reason to believe that his biggest fights were on level.