Cleveland Williams is nowhere near even Ingemar Johansson in any OBJECTIVE metric.

I suppose so, although I don't see it that way

 

Your post contradicts itself.

 

in what way? I mean Terrell was much busier and the rounds he won vs that of Williams were by a bigger margin imo

 

I'm just pointing out that the commendation may verify the performance or visa versa, but nothing definite

 

just a plus, commendation is definitely not a requirement by any means

 

Fair enough but that's not how boxing works. Using that logic, Norton probably deserved the verdict in his 2nd fight with Ali and definitely deserved the verdict in the 3rd fight!

 

If Ingo broke Liston's nose, forced him to give ground, and got a rave review about his power, I guarantee you Mr. Objectivity would be all over it.

 

And this was the PRIME Williams. Before the bullet.

Patterson would knock his block off.

 

Boxing doesn't work like that. Terrell was 6'6, smothered Williams frequently to nullify him, and used his jab to hold him off bay. Do you think the 6'0 189 pounder would be able to the same to Williams? Such errant non-sense.

 

But the judges have to abide by the referee's ruling. If he rules it a slip (or a foul or whatever), they can't score it differently.

 

How many stopped a prime Terrell? Certainly Williams would be more of a threat than Rademacher,Harris,Jackson, and London.

 

Fair point. I thought it was a KD as well but I thought Williams did enough to take the decision based on his aggression regardless.

 

Dont tell me how boxing works. If what you said was true then the great Thomas Hearns would have knocked out the much shorter Sugar Ray Leonard. He never did, because Leonard was a great fighter who utilised his speed and distance to land first. A big game guy like Williams was stiff and predictable at top level. He never was able to make the same kind of connections to make full use of his power at a really good level. Patterson was a really good level. A special fighter.

blah blah blah. You think that’s the only way to beat a guy like Williams? Your telling me that’s how boxing works? Was that the way Satterfeild beat Williams? Or Muhammad Ali? Or Sonny Liston? No. Each of these were a higher level than Williams. This means they were good enough to stop Williams do what he was good at doing because they were able to do everything that they were good at doing. And they did it him! And there was nothing Williams could do about it but “go down fighting”. That’s how boxing works when one guy is good at one level and he fights a guy who is good at the next level.

No. Patterson would knock Williams block off. Just like he did with Henry Cooper. Far too fast for Cooper then he was far to fast for Williams.

 

where is the evidence? The film of Williams going down against Liston? The film of Williams going down against Ali? The film of Williams being outpointed (in his prime) by Ernie Terrell? The film of Williams (in his prime) losing three of the first 5 rounds against Billy Daniels.

I just don’t see it. The evidence is not there. Sorry.