Cleveland Williams one the best heavyweights never to be champion

There’s nothing derogatory Or contradictory in those two quotes.

Yes Billy was a barber. And yes I am proud to be a barber as well. This is not a contradiction.

 

I think pretty much everyone here understands that fighters - particularly heavyweights - are not in their physical prime at the age of 20. The fact that you have to use the youngest heavyweight champion of all time to argue otherwise makes that point better than anything I could say.

I'm sorry you find it annoying to be told that Williams wasn't prime for the fights where he didn't look that good. Unfortunately since it's true you're liable to keep on hearing it.

 

You've tried to hoodwink the forum previously by saying Billy was a Barber and only a part time boxer. This was shown to be a lie.

 

Not at all. Paul Pender was a fireman while fighting. Lots of contenders had day jobs. Andy Ruiz Jnr included. Anybody who has a day job are technically not full time boxers. Nothing untrue about that.

You seem to be getting more desperate to discredit me here. I don’t know why. Is it because you cannot disagree with the facts on Williams career?

 

Rubbish. A guy could be fighting professionally every weekend and you'd call him part time. In the instance of Daniels you are trying to make him out to be less than he was.

Desperate is your endless efforts to discredit certain fighters.

 

Eddie Cotton was a Boeing tool and dye maker for almost all of his 21-year boxing career. He was the No. 1 light-heavyweight contender for several years. He was recognized as world world champion by the Michigan boxing commission by virtue of his win over Henry Hank in 1963. He lost a split-decision to Harold Johnson in an title challenge in 1961. He lost a disputed decision to Jose Torres in a title challenge in 1966 in a fight Ring Magazine designated as the fight of the year. He had a total of 81 pro fights, many of which were against top contenders. Wayne Thornton, Roger Rouse, Chic Calderwood, and Andy Kendalll were among the No. 1 contenders he fought during the era when there was only one champion.

Nothing personal here, Choklab. I admit I carry a torch for Eddie Cotton, but do you consider him a part-time fighter?

 

Technically he has two jobs, so yes he is dividing himself between two jobs.

 

I know it's tough road, but I've known a few people who have held down two full-time jobs!! I guess we are engaged in a battle of semantics, rather than substance!

 

If you are fighting more than 3-4x a year in almost any era, that's a full time boxer.

Its entirely possible to have 2 full time jobs, or are people unware of this fact?

The only reason to bring up a guy being a barber is to demean them. Same reason people bring up sanders being a "golfer" to take a jab at wladmir klitschko. Stop trying to insult our intelligence and own up to things when you're called out. We might be able to actually enjoy a discussion for once.

 

How many times have we heard about boxers complaining about having to divide themselves between two jobs though? I think it is a valid point. Nothing demeaning about being a barber.

 

I'm getting my haircut today. Barbershop 3 wasn't too bad of a movie. That girl with big butt was in it. That at least made it watchable. The plot was utterly predictable though.

 

Fair enough. I'll go ahead and refer to Walcott as "Walcott the Warehouse Worker" since you feel the need to mention a boxer's side occupations while being disingenuous.

 

Disingenuous is one term for it!

 

I think truth is the word you are looking for here. You don’t get to call somebody disingenuous because the truth isn’t the way you want it to be.

You guys are the ones doing the spinning here. The record shows what it shows.

Williams just dosnt have enough important wins. Close recent inspection shows his ranking isn’t what some people think it should be.

He was a live opponent who gave his best. That’s it. He was never a threat to any champion.

Memorable guy. Good copy. Impressive muscles. Always brave. His career spanned champions from Ezzard Charles to joe Frazier. He was no threat to Charles, Walcott,or Marciano because Satterfield knocked him out. He was no threat to Patterson or Johansson because Liston knocked him out.he was no threat to Liston or Ali because THEY knocked him out..and so it goes on as he got older.

 

I was a warehouse worker at one time. Forklift etc. It pays the bills but it's overated
It's too hot, dusty, dirty, no girls anywhere. Overated. Jersey Joe felt the same way about it.