Cleveland Williams one the best heavyweights never to be champion

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Technically if someone puts in 40 hours a week into a job, that would make it full time.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    So have I. Im enduring it for the medical benefits and because it pays the most until i graduate.

    Then no one is a full time boxer. Unless you look at guys like Robinson or greb who had multiple fights a week.

    Any active fighter (at least 2-3x a year) who gets paid to fight is a full time fighter.

    Either way, it's pointless to bring up a boxer's side job unless it affects their performance (injured outside the ring, dehydration, etc). Choklab expects us to believe the only reason he brought up Williams opponent being a barber is to praise him as a fellow barber.
     
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  3. reznick

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    Training would be included in those 40 hours.
     
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  4. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Anytime anyone starts with some tripe about Williams being this feared, unsung great who never won a title just ask them what his best wins were. When they start talking about how he was this monster puncher ask them what contenders he knocked out. When they start talking about how he was ducked by Patterson ask them what his ranking was when Patterson was champ. Trust me, their argument will dry up quickly and his mediocre achievements will become self evident.
     
  5. choklab

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    The point is when a fighter is putting a shift in around his training it can be less beneficial for him because the days are longer.
     
  6. choklab

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    Precisely. Thank you sir.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    Correct. So Walcott the warehouse worker wasn't a full time fighter.
     
  8. choklab

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    Of course Walcott wasnt a full time fighter throughout the 1930s. It wasn’t until felix Bocchicchio took him on allowing Walcott to concentrate on boxing full time that jersey joe was able to fulfill his potential.

    Henry coopers manager secured Henry and his brother apprenticeships as part of their deal to sign on with him with the understanding that they both got time off to train for fights. I think Henry was a plasterer by trade. That was a good deal. Because the manager didn’t have to pay them, they still trained full time in the run up to fights and they were left with a trade to fall back on.

    Other managers sign boxers to work in “no show” jobs within a business they own. Sun bed shops, sports shops. Pubs restaurants etc. These kinds of things don’t count.