Clifford Etienne - Artist

I haven't seen it tbh. I was talking about the incident with the man in the car and the other black man.

 

Officer Norman is definitely a modern ATG

 

I agree with you re the role of organizational/occupational culture and I hope that you're right re: an upcoming cultural shift. I'm pessimistic though because I think too many white Americans are socialized to blindly hero worship police and to devalue the lives of the poor and working class minorities they stop, frisk, arrest, and (rarely but disproportionately and excessively) shoot.

 

You're absolutely right. Which kind of means that a cultural shift needs to also happen with the people...us. American culture is so competitive and cut throat. I think basic income will alleviate so much of the damn stress in the country.

And the policing issue is just part of a broader problem; politics. Which truly needs the cultural shift. Can you imagine if Apple and Google products were dictated by the opinions of those with special interest? We would have **** products. And yet, politics is run like that.

We are of this age where information has become so damn good that people are becoming wiser. Society is starting to self correct itself, in sorts, due to the transparency of everything.

 

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That video isn't clear enough to make a decision either way. For all we know he might have tried reaching in his pocket for a weapon.

 

If you can't be harsh on police who gun down unarmed people who have their hands held up, then who you going to be harsh on?

 

Arms held up? You don't know what the man did when the officers surrounded him do you?

 

As for the idea of a "cultural shift" happening in America, it probably needs to start with America's attitude and policy towards the rest of the world.

When you're the "policeman of the world" and told to accept and glorify miltary occupation and carry out drone surveillance and extra-judicial killings in corners of the world most American citizens can't even find on a map, don't be surprised when the same government sanctions the rise of miliaristic gung-ho trigger-happy policing on your doorstep.

Don't take this as an "anti-American sentiment" on my part, I'm just setting out a theory or sociological calculus.

 

You're talking as though other nations wouldn't do the same if they had the power to. Us Christians would be wiped off the face of the earth if any Muslim nation had the power of the USA....

What I don't like is the blatant lies they tell us, I'd have much preferred to hear Bush say to Iraq. "We are coming to take your oil, what are you going to do about it?"

 

Men have been shot with their hands up. Like that guy who was laying down with his arms up, trying to explain to police he was with an autistic or mentally disabled guy. They shot him anyway.

You either believe it is happening or you don't. Maybe everyone's making a fuss about nothing. .... maybe all the videos are distorted ........ bit of a dangerous mistake to make though, possibly.

 

I'm not talking as if ther countries wouldn't do the same. I understand that fully. That's an added dilemma.
I think we both understand what's happening.

I'm not sure "ANY muslim nation" wants to wipe christians off the face of the earth.
Most of those nations just want the same as other nations, the power. They are 100% capitalists too. There's no point in them wiping out millions of good western workers and consumers. For what? Where's the profit in that?

I agree, the hypocrisy and lies are laughable. But somehow people buy into it.

 

Well it's pretty simple, over there you do as your told because you don't get a second chance. Over here in Europe you get away with being a terrorist, arrested and then released to kill and maim others....

 

Known terrorists who walk free probably have some sort of deal going with the intelligence agencies. Let's face it, it's the world's intelligence and covert war services that create this terrorist groups. We just won't ever know the truth. It's different can of worms.

Yeah, I guess it depends on whether you want to live in a society where some kid in a blue uniform has the right to tell you what to do at gunpoint on threat of death ..... or whether you value basic freedom, a free society.

 

Etienne can paint, I'll give him that.