Clinch and holding

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  1. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When do a boxer is allowed to clinch?
    If you feel comfortable fighting from the outside and your opponent rather to come inside,it's understandable you will clinch to get back to the long distance.Not holding! Not like Ruiz for example who loved to go clinching and holding to make the entire fight that way.
    Now, if you rather to fight inside and the other guy is clinching there is a punch called uppercut to make him let go, you can ask Mike Tyson about it.But you must master the ability to throw that punch.Thats why the K brothers clinch,because they rather to fight from the distance since they are almost always the tall ones with good jabs.
    Abril isn't Urbano Antillon who lacks any kind of skills neither is Acosta whose conditioning couldn't weather the pressing Rios.He had the skills and conditioning to keep Rios away.
    Abril came to fight, he just didn't come to fight Rios fight.He was fighting his own fight.
     
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  2. wallworkjake123

    wallworkjake123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well said.
     
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  3. Elliot

    Elliot Boxing Addict banned

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    This is exactly what happened, people hating are just chatting ****, and either love Rios, love top rank or just straight up don't know what they are talking about.
     
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  4. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The people hating on fighters fighting to their strengths are idiots who don't deserve any attention :good
     
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  5. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    should holding/clinching ever be penalized? If so, when?

    How about pushing?
     
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  6. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you clinch and hold,intending to delay the action yes, warned first and point deduction.No doubt.
    But if the clinch it's the result of your opponent getting inside its your opponent responsibility to have the skills to break it.As long as you are not holding just in order to avoid fighting.
    Tyson for example will go inside almost in every fight and everytime jhe dealt with clinching and excessive holding,thats why he developed that nasty uppercut followed by heavy hooks .
    Pushing will depend of circumstances and if excessive should be penalize.Sometimes it's the result of frustration of making a statement about physical strength
     
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  7. Bulletproof

    Bulletproof Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is too much holding being allowed by the refs as of late. Molina vs. Kirkland. Rios vs Abril. Peterson vs Khan (holding head down). Alexander vs Maidana. Any Wladimir fight, aka jab and grab!!! The list goes on and on and on. If a fighter is hurt, then hold for dear life, sure I get that, survival mode. However, holding as an offensive/defensive strategy as opposed to say, working on the inside or slipping punches, should be stopped by the ref ASAP.

    The Molina/Kirkland fight was ridiculous, the Rios fight even more so. I blame the refs for letting the fighters get away with it. In a clinch the refs should urge the fighters to punch to get free, after 3 seconds of holding, break that **** up. If it keeps being initiated by one fighter, after a few warnings take away points, maybe even a DQ. This latest bit of officiating has been HORRIBLE!!!!!!
     
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  8. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    i was thinking the same thing......

    people here dont care about how rules are enforced unless it affects the outcome of their favorite fighter....

    khans 2 point deductions were just disgraceful....but the khan haters said "well...rules are rules"

    people like ruiz should have been DQ'd alot
     
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  9. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Molina always go inside for clinching and fighting from that angle.
    Abril fights from outside, look at his fight against Acosta, they both with similar style and winning the best boxer.But no much clinching.
    Abril clinched with Rios but always keeping his glove protecting his face neutralizing Brandon's shots from inside,he was not tying him with both arms.But willing to break and fighting from the distance.Rios just couldn't break his defense.
     
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  10. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, Ruiz was horrible.
    But khan didn't attempt to box from outside.The points deduction were unfair thoug.
     
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  11. Atritionist

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    Good post Kid :good
     
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  12. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hard for some people to understand this sport, still they call themselves fans.
     
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  13. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    In the Rios fight, the clinch was the result of Rios getting inside and Abril not wanting Rios to be able in punch there. Is that "delaying the action"? Seems like it.

    Once Abril had Rios locked up, he couldn't "break out of it". If it were only so easy.

    So I think the ref probably should have docked Abril a point.
     
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  14. ElTrigueno

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    If the fan likes a particular fighter, they can do no wrong, regardless.
     
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  15. kenmore

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    I agree with you 100%. There was nothing unreasonable about Abril's clinching; it complimented his boxing strategy. Although Abril clinched often, he did not do so excessively. In fact, Rios's manner of attacking forced Abril to counter with clinches.

    The failure of Rios and his backers to acknowledge his decisive, one sided defeat is shameful. An outrage.

    I
     
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