Clinch and holding

Glad to see that Abril is building up a solid fan base on ESB. :good

 

clinching facilitates action?

oxymoronic sophistry. It always impedes action. That's the point.

 

There are only two types of clinching in my book

1. When both fighters come together on the inside, the proximity of them will very often lead to them naturally tying eachother up, mauling will occur, while not always pretty, this to me, is acceptable, for examples see Floyd - Hatton

2. An outside fighter simply tying the smaller fighter up once he has gotten inside the bigger mans jab, not acceptable, fight your way out, use footwork, or block. It's criminal to think that. It only does a smaller fighter have to get past the straight punches of the bigger fighter, they also have to deal with their grappling capabilities aswell

This sort of thing if persistently done should result in a warning and the poInt deductions

Rios - Abril was a case of Riis trying to land while Abril shelled up, not being able to, trying to outmuscle him and then being walked back by Abril.

There's a different between that and the type of clinching Wlad has been known to do where he almost literally panics and grabs his opponent the minute they are able to hit him

 

Apologies for the typos but...iPhone.

 

It's sophistry to interpret my point out of context.

I wrote, "Clinching type 1 is intended to facilitate the action on the clincher's terms (stymie infighter's attack, pivot the action back to the open ring, where the "clincher" wins with superior long range boxing)."

If the infighter doesn't like the clinching, he needs to fight his way out of it, or preempt the clinch by beating his opponent to the punch while boring in. If successful, the attacker then keeps the would-be clincher running (as an alternative to clinching).

 

There are people who say Hatton forced the clinches, that he was practicing clinching type 2 that I describe above.

Noteworthy also is that in these cases, one guy initiates the clinch, then the other guy accepts it. That way both fighters stall the action, taking a break.

This is clinching type 1 as I described it. There are many, many people who believe this is acceptable clinching. The secret is to execute the clinch quickly, then to break quickly and resume boxing. Do just enough clinching to frustrate the infighter's object.

Type 1 clinching.

Vlad practices a combination of types 1, 2, and 3 clinching.

 

Clinches and holding are two seperate things, sometimes clinching just happens when fighters have clashing styles or for whatever reasons. I just can't stand guys that use clinching and holding in an offensive manner i.e. When there is a full step or two of distance and one guy lunges in with a weak slapping punch and then holds. Wow some display of boxing. I'd rather watch a hockey fight. That seems more like a game of tag to me then a boxing match.

"Haha I can hit you more then you can hit me, regardless of the fact that your face looks perfectly fine after the fight and can still go to the club tonight immediately after the bout."

But I hate guys that just put up with it almost as much as the guy holding. Get pissed and do something about it, or adjust FFS.

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I'd rather get DQ'd then just let a guy wrap me up for 12 rounds. Oh and I didn't see the Abril fight so I am not trying to hate on him or insinuate that he does these things. Just putting in my irrelevant opinion in a thread titled clinching and holding.

 

Check out the Abril fight on youtube. He boxes beautifully, and clinches in an acceptable way. I'd like to get your reaction to Abril's clinching. Based on what you say here, I'll bet you agree that it's reasonable.

I agree with your first point about hitting and holding. That's clinching type 2, which is intolerable.

 

So if I rob a bank I'm facilitating the flow of money on my terms, while stymying it on the bank's terms.

That is indeed sophistry.

However, at this point I don't think we're making progress.

 

I agree. You are definitely behind the learning curve in this discussion if you have to resort to irrational analogies.

To get back up to speed, watch Abril again. See he does it. His clinching is not excessive...period.

 

I'm watching Abril again right now. Great defensive boxer. I don't see how anyone could expect him to trade punches at close quarters with Rios. That's every bit as irrational as demanding Rios to remain at long range, to Abril a favor.

Too bad Abril doesn't have a punch...if he did, then he could play Thomas Hearns, and make everyone (including conandobler) happy.

 

Excellent point. Abril never goes for the clinch...it's not his intention to seek it out. He uses it as a last resort to stymie the shorter, stronger, harder hitting attacker inside, and even then, Abril jumps back to the open ring as soon as possible.

He totally dominates Rios.

 

Clinching every now and than is not bad BUT no one should be allowed to clinch & hold all the time or to use it often as a tactic.

 

IMO that is the worst form of clinching.