Hatton clinches a lot, but Hopkins though is the daddy of clinching. But they do it very well, so good on them.
I am illogical? You are the one stated that the cheating techique called clinching should be considered as a skill.
I said your argument is illogical, i said that it takes skill to be able to clinch and get away with it the way Hopkins does (i don't see how anyone can deny it), and then you said that Ruiz must be the most talented boxer in the world because he clinches so much, and that is a stupid reply. OBVIOUSLY, Hopkins' skills are not limited to clinching, and Ruiz, as demonstrated by his career record, is not as talented as Hopkins or a shitload of other boxers. Just cause it takes talent to clinch effectively, doesn't mean that the only people with talent are good clinchers. I mean unless you are still in elementary school I don't see how you could fail to understand this.
I always find it amusing how Hopkins incessant clinching is rarely if ever brought up, yet Hatton is derided as 'Huggy bear' and a 'wrestler' amongst others Twats
J Nady called Hopkins 'the ring general' for that and added that B-Hop is 'very intelligent'. I coudn't believe the ref could say so unless he is career is over.
1) john ruiz 2) b-hop 3) hatton 4) oquendo 5) holyfield I THINK THAT FIGHTERS THAT CLINCH KNOW THEY CLINCH SO WHEN THEY WORK OUT THE DETAILS TO UPCOMING FIGHTS THEY LOOK FOR REFS THAT UNDERSTAND THIS TO AVOID POINT REDUCTIONS.
Obvioudly BH is 1000 times more talented than Ruiz, that was not even the point. The point is that he incorporates cheeting techniques pretty much in every fight, and has never been penilized for it, even minimally.
Hopkins also gets away with a lot of other stuff, when he isn't boxing or clinching Besides, it's not the point. It's all cheating, and they should be bashed equally for hugging like a family reunion
Okay lets say I accept that, for arguments sake, do you agree Joe should be given the occasional ticking off for his slaps?
